OT: Official Sports Media Thread 2 (TV, Radio, Print) MOD WARNING in OP

[Joe Zanussi]

Is it possible these conversations took place, but you weren't listening at the moment?

If and when I do listen to Toucher and Rich, it's for entertainment on the way to work - not in depth break down and insight.

While they do talk sports, they do bits and do more than sports.

I certainly suppose that could be true...in fact, its probably true. I was simply struck by the fact that our stations take an eventvthat is, by most definitions, a great sporting event and turn it into a *****fest.

I suppose the poster is right when he says I shouldnt expect anything more. But that doesnt mean I cant be turned off by it. They missed out on one listener this morning is all....which means exactly nothing to them.

 

[LSCII]

Despite the fact that its out of market, I would look for a discussion of the game. There were all sorts of decisions that couldve been discussed and debated.....pitching decisions.....safety squeezes.....chokes.....heroes. In my opinion, any of that would trump the two topics I referenced.

Ignore the game if you want, I guess. But dont take an insanely interesting game and make it a ***** session about "criminal athletes" and "arrogant general managers".

Im only one listener, but I found it unlistenable at best.

Again, what you wanted is what you would expect and get from a local outlet of the teams involved. Out of market, they're trying to appeal to the broadest audience in the region they cover, which isn't in depth Cubs discussions and breakdowns of in game plays for the Cubs. Which is why the sports talk here is dominated by Patriots and Red Sox discussion with a little Bruins and Celtics talk thrown in, and then a small amount of whatever the national story is. Would I prefer more in depth hockey analysis and breakdowns of the Bruins games? Sure. Am I surprised when it doesn't happen? Not at all.

 

[LSCII]

I certainly suppose that could be true...in fact, its probably true. I was simply struck by the fact that our stations take an eventvthat is, by most definitions, a great sporting event and turn it into a *****fest.

I suppose the poster is right when he says I shouldnt expect anything more. But that doesnt mean I cant be turned off by it. They missed out on one listener this morning is all....which means exactly nothing to them.

You can absolutely be turned off by it. WEEI lost me a year or so ago from a conversation I heard that made me sick to my stomach and I haven't gone back. Most days I listen to music because neither station is very good.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

Again, what you wanted is what you would expect and get from a local outlet of the teams involved. Out of markett, they're trying to appeal to the broadest audience in the region they cover, which isn't in depth Cubs discussions and breakdowns of in game plays for the Cubs. Which is why the sports talk here is dominated by Patriots and Red Sox discussion with a little Bruins and Celtics talk thrown in, and then a small amount of whatever the national story is. Would I prefer more in depth hockey analysis and breakdowns of the Bruins games? Sure. Am I surprised when it doesn't happen? Not at all.

I'm all for them appealing to the market....thats their job. I guess I just find it difficult to believe that they dont think they lose listeners by choosing the morning after Game 7 to read us Chapman's arrest report. Even if its only 5 minutes, its a distraction.....a distraction that got me to turn the dial.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

I agree with you, by the way. Not arguing....just complaining.

 

[the overrated]

I guess I have to ask the question, but what exactly did you expect? The two shows biases aside, what kind of commentary are you looking for specifically regarding two out of market teams?

I'll preface this by saying that I didn't expect any of the sports stations around here to do any real, substantial analysis or discussion about the WS today. It's just not what they do or are expected to do, for the most part. With that said:

I honestly feel that Boston is a bad "sports" city at times. We love our local teams and analyze the **** out of them, but the vast majority know nothing & care even less about any other team or athlete (except if it's a rival or someone we hate). We, as a city, aren't "baseball fans"; we're "Red Sox fans". Not "hockey fans", but "Bruins fans". Same with the NBA/Celtics and NFL/Pats. People here care about the local teams and those teams' rivals, period.

It should be expected that we could have hosts talk about a WS game, or an NBA finals or the Stanley Cup - even when the local team isn't part of it - and have listeners understand or care about that game and conversation. Instead, we just say "why would the hosts talk about that, the local fans don't care".

 

[LSCII]

I'll preface this by saying that I didn't expect any of the sports stations around here to do any real, substantial analysis or discussion about the WS today. It's just not what they do or are expected to do, for the most part. With that said:

I honestly feel that Boston is a bad "sports" city at times. We love our local teams and analyze the **** out of them, but the vast majority know nothing & care even less about any other team or athlete (except if it's a rival or someone we hate). We, as a city, aren't "baseball fans"; we're "Red Sox fans". Not "hockey fans", but "Bruins fans". Same with the NBA/Celtics and NFL/Pats. People here care about the local teams and those teams' rivals, period.

It should be expected that we could have hosts talk about a WS game, or an NBA finals or the Stanley Cup - even when the local team isn't part of it - and have listeners understand or care about that game and conversation. Instead, we just say "why would the hosts talk about that, the local fans don't care".

This is absolutely correct. One of the best pleasures of having XM back in the day for me was the ability to stop listening to sports radio in only a provincial manner. Covering other teams and other stories instead of the same crap on repeat every 10 minutes. It was far superior listening.

 

[LSCII]

I'm all for them appealing to the market....thats their job. I guess I just find it difficult to believe that they dont think they lose listeners by choosing the morning after Game 7 to read us Chapman's arrest report. Even if its only 5 minutes, its a distraction.....a distraction that got me to turn the dial.

I stopped expecting them to be better than they are and have accepted their mediocrity and limitations, sadly enough...

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Can we all agree that we all love and hate Jack Edwards?

The man loves his job.

SFA approved

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

So because you've dubbed this the greatest (something that is incredibly subjective anyway) world series of all time, you expect two homophobic, misogynistic, racists, and two shock jocks that aren't even interested in sports to deliver relevant and poignant commentary on something they don't care about? Simply because you've decided in your own brain this this was the bestest world series ever?

Maybe it's me, but I don't expect anything from the media because I don't need their commentary to make a moment better. If it's special to you, great. Enjoy it. If you want homerism and fanboys gushing over the win, then I would suggest using the internet to find a radio station that is local to the team that won. Thinking you're going to get that from two out of market shows in Boston, especially after this region has seen so many home town teams win titles repeatedly, well that's on you and not on them.

Find it funny that this is stated when Steve Buckley has been a fill in co-host for years and just this morning spoke about his 30 year friendship with Callahan and now have been having Alex Reimer on recently as a co-host. Not to mention Trenni Kusnierek being a the third person in as of late.

 

[hoss75]

It should be expected that we could have hosts talk about a WS game, or an NBA finals or the Stanley Cup - even when the local team isn't part of it - and have listeners understand or care about that game and conversation. Instead, we just say "why would the hosts talk about that, the local fans don't care".

You have a wise, calming, and even presence.....

 

[Fenway]

Comcast announces channel changes with NBC Boston starting January 1

Dec 1
NECN HD to 840
WBTS-LD HD to 810
Cozi TV to 935

Dec 30,
WWDP-TV moves from CH 10 to 81.
WBTS-LD to CH 10.

WBTS- LD starts NBC Jan 1.

 

[LSCII]

Find it funny that this is stated when Steve Buckley has been a fill in co-host for years and just this morning spoke about his 30 year friendship with Callahan and now have been having Alex Reimer on recently as a co-host. Not to mention Trenni Kusnierek being a the third person in as of late.

Ah yes, the infamous defense of "I'm not racist/homophobic/misogynistic because some of my best friends are people of color/gay/women...

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Ah yes, the infamous defense of "I'm not racist/homophobic/misogynistic because some of my best friends are people of color/gay/women...

That is one weak response.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Ah yes, the infamous defense of "I'm not racist/homophobic/misogynistic because some of my best friends are people of color/gay/women...

That is an insult to Buckley and Reimer. Yoi calling the the show's token gay men?

 

[LSCII]

That is an insult to Buckley and Reimer. Yoi calling the the show's token gay men?

Callahan's words and actions on air speak volumes about what he represents, just like Kirl's as well. You like the show, so by all means enjoy it. But does any other show make it a big deal when they have a gay person on? When they have a woman in as a guest host? Or when they have a person of color on? No, they don't. And you know why? Because it doesn't matter. Only people it matters to point to examples to show everyone how they're okay with it. If they were really fine with it, there would be nothing said.

 

[MattFromFranklin]

Callahan's words and actions on air speak volumes about what he represents, just like Kirl's as well. You like the show, so by all means enjoy it. But does any other show make it a big deal when they have a gay person on? When they have a woman in as a guest host? Or when they have a person of color on? No, they don't. And you know why? Because it doesn't matter. Only people it matters to point to examples to show everyone how they're okay with it. If they were really fine with it, there would be nothing said.

I'm not his biggest fan, but what has Kirk said or done? I apologize if I missed anything.

 

[LSCII]

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I'm not his biggest fan, but what has Kirk said or done? I apologize if I missed anything.

His entire Erin Andrews rant which he got suspended for was blatant misogyny. If it was a guy on the sidelines, he'd never have said anything.

 

[EverettMike]

 

[sarge88]

His entire Erin Andrews rant which he got suspended for was blatant misogyny. If it was a guy on the sidelines, he'd never have said anything.

You can hate him all you want, but at least be accurate.

For every bad word he's said about a woman, he's said at least 10 about a man.

He's likely the only on air personality that I've ever heard rank on Joe Castiglione, who I like very much, BTW, and is as close to a sacred cow around here as we have.

He was relentless on Remy during the time when his son murdered his ex and calls out regular guests and national media figures on a regular basis.

Again...I get why people don't like him, but to say he wouldn't call out a guy is flat out wrong.

 

[LSCII]

You can hate him all you want, but at least be accurate.

For every bad word he's said about a woman, he's said at least 10 about a man.

He's likely the only on air personality that I've ever heard rank on Joe Castiglione, who I like very much, BTW, and is as close to a sacred cow around here as we have.

He was relentless on Remy during the time when his son murdered his ex and calls out regular guests and national media figures on a regular basis.

Again...I get why people don't like him, but to say he wouldn't call out a guy is flat out wrong.

But here's the thing. I didn't say that. I said he wouldn't have called out Erin Andrews for being a sideline reporter had she been a man. Not that he wouldn't have called out a male at all. Just that his loathing of the job she did stemmed from her being a female, which is why he said what he said.

In terms of what he says about anyone, I don't care. He's a misogynist. He's a gimmick. He's a clown. Listen to him and that show if you want, but you as the person who defends it has to understand that if you do so, you're standing up for bigotry and hate speech whether you agree with him or not. You own that whether you chalk it up to him just being a contrarian and saying those things for ratings or not.

 

[BNHL]

You can hate him all you want, but at least be accurate.

For every bad word he's said about a woman, he's said at least 10 about a man.

He's likely the only on air personality that I've ever heard rank on Joe Castiglione, who I like very much, BTW, and is as close to a sacred cow around here as we have.

He was relentless on Remy during the time when his son murdered his ex and calls out regular guests and national media figures on a regular basis.

Again...I get why people don't like him, but to say he wouldn't call out a guy is flat out wrong.

But when he calls out a guy,he never mentions or implies or uses insults meant only for a guy. He singled out Andrews as a woman. As for Joe Castiglione,who I have spoken to at the gym many times,I can't stand him on the radio.

 

[Fenway]

But when he calls out a guy,he never mentions or implies or uses insults meant only for a guy. He singled out Andrews as a woman. As for Joe Castiglione,who I have spoken to at the gym many times,I can't stand him on the radio.

Joe was never meant to be the #1 voice but a good solid #2. When Bob Starr quit to go back to California he became the #1.

 

[sarge88]

But here's the thing. I didn't say that. I said he wouldn't have called out Erin Andrews for being a sideline reporter had she been a man. Not that he wouldn't have called out a male at all. Just that his loathing of the job she did stemmed from her being a female, which is why he said what he said.

In terms of what he says about anyone, I don't care. He's a misogynist. He's a gimmick. He's a clown. Listen to him and that show if you want, but you as the person who defends it has to understand that if you do so, you're standing up for bigotry and hate speech whether you agree with him or not. You own that whether you chalk it up to him just being a contrarian and saying those things for ratings or not.

I still disagree, because he calls out just about everyone and I'm sure somewhere along the way he has said derogatory things about male sideline reporters.

The day I meet a person who hasn't said something offensive at one point in their life will be the first.

I don't condone everything he or anybody says. I just don't waste my time worrying about every little comment that hits a nerve.

If I find something funny, I laugh.

If I find it unfunny, I don't.

If I find it offensive....I typically don't care.

 

[sarge88]

But when he calls out a guy,he never mentions or implies or uses insults meant only for a guy. He singled out Andrews as a woman. As for Joe Castiglione,who I have spoken to at the gym many times,I can't stand him on the radio.

Respectfully disagree.

Maybe not specific to male sideline reporters, but he knows how to cut to the bone with a comment or insult, and he can get very specific, depending on who he's talking about, and he does it to men and women alike.

Again, I'm not saying that I can't understand why people hate him.....I get it.

I just don't get offended easily, especially by the words of an entertainer.