Are there any scouting reports on this year's picks?
What are the chances of any of the Americans picks playing in Moncton?
What are the chances of any of the Americans picks playing in Moncton?
*OFFICIAL* Moncton Wildcats 2013-2014 Thread
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WildcatMapleLeafs28
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6 out of 8 Americans are already confirmed to report to training camp . MacLeod is not expected to come as of yet and there in talks with Malatesta.
WildcatMapleLeafs28
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I think most of them will but it's a matter of getting them signed to a player card or on an exhibition game sheet. Roger Shannon , Moncton's director of scouting, said they roll the dice on American kids that if showed would make an impact next season.
So you mean to tell me that 6 out of 8 Americans drafted in the late rounds will make the WCs lineup?
It could mean the lineup is really weak or it could mean that you are way too optimistic.
These Americans are average like the later Midget round draftees.
Maybe 1 or 2 will shine but I would not hold my breath on them as a group.
That's too general of a statement. You're saying their average because it fits an argument you want to make regarding the Wildcats. But all 18 teams are forced to take these kids in later rounds. Cape Breton (my team) have drafted Americans like Brendan Robbins (2012) and James Winkler (2013) who will never come, but are not 12th (Winkler) and 13th (Robbins) round talents. If a team, for whatever reasons or resources, does its homework and can get them to report, then it's an advantage.
WildcatMapleLeafs28
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Like I said, I expect MOST of 6 americans to. Late rounds don't mean anything. Look at the Detroit RedWings. Datysuk,Zetterberg,Lidstom all late round picks. If you're team have a good scouting staff, there are gems that can be found in all rounds.
As I'm sure you know , Moncton are in full rebuild mode which tends to mean they're in a transition season and will likely be in the bottom tier of the league next season. I know you're not too familiar with the term "Rebuild".
These Americans are NOT like later Midget round draftees. Most of these guys would be top 3 round picks had they not been American or feared to play US hockey.
I'm not holding by breath but if 3 or 4 of them make the team, the Cats hit a home run in this draft
Like I said, I expect MOST of 6 americans to. Late rounds don't mean anything. Look at the Detroit RedWings. Datysuk,Zetterberg,Lidstom all late round picks. If you're team have a good scouting staff, there are gems that can be found in all rounds.
As I'm sure you know , Moncton are in full rebuild mode which tends to mean they're in a transition season and will likely be in the bottom tier of the league next season. I know you're not too familiar with the term "Rebuild".
These Americans are NOT like later Midget round draftees. Most of these guys would be top 3 round picks had they not been American or feared to play US hockey.
I'm not holding by breath but if 3 or 4 of them make the team, the Cats hit a home run in this draft
i wouldnt exactly put the wildcats draft record in a similar category as the red wings in terms of success. The past 5 years have not been great drafts with the exception of getting the saulniers.
Yes - this is a new staff , however, led by the same person ultimately. This years draft can only be reviewed in 3-4 years, once their junior careers are over.
i understand their thought process with taking the americans, personally i dont like it, but i understand it and agree that if they get 4-5 of those players in the line up and contributing, that will be a home run
Like I said, I expect MOST of 6 americans to. Late rounds don't mean anything. Look at the Detroit RedWings. Datysuk,Zetterberg,Lidstom all late round picks. If you're team have a good scouting staff, there are gems that can be found in all rounds.
As I'm sure you know , Moncton are in full rebuild mode which tends to mean they're in a transition season and will likely be in the bottom tier of the league next season. I know you're not too familiar with the term "Rebuild".
These Americans are NOT like later Midget round draftees. Most of these guys would be top 3 round picks had they not been American or feared to play US hockey.
I'm not holding by breath but if 3 or 4 of them make the team, the Cats hit a home run in this draft
Personally I think this is complete genius move by the Wildcats. Totally agree with you WildcatMapleleafs28 and I like your reference to the Red Wings.
Wings have been spending more money on scouting in Europe than most. (Less competition for scouting in Europe means getting better players in later rounds)
I think the Reg Wings model works even better in the QMJHL because of the 14 rounds.
If you think about it each team needs 12 forwards 6 D and 2 Goalies minimum, they probably carry 2 extra forwards and 2 extra D. Say a team is roughly 22 or 23 players.
On average let’s say each Q team loses 4 or 5 forward, 2 or 3 d and 1 G….say 6-8 players a year.So why not draft serious local Canadians in first 6-8 rounds that you know will report and then pick American kids in last 6-8 rounds. After all less competition in scouting there and you could have a real chance at getting 6 to 8 quality players in late rounds.
Even if you only get one American to commit with this strategy per year after 4 or 5 years of this you could have potentially 4 or 5 good American’s on your team. Now just imagine if you got more than 1 per year.
Way to be innovative Moncton like this move and I bet more will follow your lead.
PS. I bet Mr. Irving gets at least 3 to stay this year
WildcatMapleLeafs28
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i wouldnt exactly put the wildcats draft record in a similar category as the red wings in terms of success. The past 5 years have not been great drafts with the exception of getting the saulniers.
Yes - this is a new staff , however, led by the same person ultimately. This years draft can only be reviewed in 3-4 years, once their junior careers are over.
i understand their thought process with taking the americans, personally i dont like it, but i understand it and agree that if they get 4-5 of those players in the line up and contributing, that will be a home run
This was completely Roger Shannon's draft and his first with the Wildcats. I wasn't comparing the Wildcats' to the RedWings in terms of drafting so much, my point was that you can get impact players in the later rounds. Good scouting staff makes this easier. I know for a fact that we spent a lot of time and effort south of the border. Imo, it was a good strategy but , like you mention , only time will tell.
Given their situation i think it was the most optimistic approach and the only approach that gives them a chance to rebuild quicker.
And Q7scout, more teams wont follow. At least not many of them. Most of those players have full rides committed at college and they wont come unless the Q team commits to paying the education cost that the bursary program wont cover including - room/board and any additional cost. Usually in the range of 8-10k per yr per player.
Out of 18 teams, only 3 or 4 can offer that type of financial support. Long term, all this does is make the league that much more of a two tier league.
Out of 18 teams, only 3 or 4 can offer that type of financial support. Long term, all this does is make the league that much more of a two tier league.
Roger Shannon is a real smart guy. He understands the New England hockey model very well (his son played in prep school for a year with Zach Philips before the Q) and over the next few years I'm sure he's going to turn the Moncton team around through the draft.
Maletesta is the guy that the Moncton fans will enjoy if he makes the trip up north.
Someone else mentioned Winkler. He will be a stud in the Q if he decides to report, but he did just commit to North Eastern, so don' hold your breath.
Maletesta is the guy that the Moncton fans will enjoy if he makes the trip up north.
Someone else mentioned Winkler. He will be a stud in the Q if he decides to report, but he did just commit to North Eastern, so don' hold your breath.
WildcatMapleLeafs28
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This is a perfect occasion to drum up once again the fact that money does buy players in the Q and does speak loud.
However I will refrain this time around until we see exactly what came out of this draft.
This is a perfect occasion to drum up once again the fact that money does buy players in the Q and does speak loud.
However I will refrain this time around until we see exactly what came out of this draft.
There is nothing to talk about yet, because none of those players are here yet. Overall, no Q team has been good with bringing americans over, and in all honesty not many americans have panned out in the Q either. Askew should pan out, it remains to be seen.
Shea was suppose to be the real deal, we all know how that ended up. There have been a few high end players, but, many more average players and flops.
Either way, i just made the comment in general, that if the teams were to start bringing over 6-7 each, that not all teams could participate in that market due to the cost. That's the reality of it, wether fans of the teams who can afford it want to admit it or not.
I think that Shea (and his father) had unrealistic expectations. Unfortunately that set a precedent down here in the states to make more kids think twice before turning down a scholarship.
Then you can look at Erne who ended up having a productive Q career. He was definitely the better player when they were younger.
I'm not sure what teams would fall into the big or small market up there, I do know that certain teams have offered big money to some kids down here, and even still the kids choose to go to school.
Once again, it's disappointing to see the NCAA and the CHL making the kids choose something that, in my opinion, should be able to co-exist.
Then you can look at Erne who ended up having a productive Q career. He was definitely the better player when they were younger.
I'm not sure what teams would fall into the big or small market up there, I do know that certain teams have offered big money to some kids down here, and even still the kids choose to go to school.
Once again, it's disappointing to see the NCAA and the CHL making the kids choose something that, in my opinion, should be able to co-exist.
johnnydrum
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Just watched games 1 and 2 of the AHL Finals, and my goodness, I can not believe the stockpile of Euro talent on the Griffins Roster.
Tatar (3rd Rd.SLK) Jurco (2nd Rd. SLK) Mursak (6th Rd SLO) Mrazik (5th Rd.CZE), Nesterill (3rd Rd.CZE), Almqvist (7th rd from SWE) PullkKinen (4th Rd FIN)--All playing key roles in the teams road to the Calder Cup....when you think how man of these guys were 2nd-7th round picks.....and thats the Farm team!
Your right about teams throwing money at them doesnt mean the kid will go to the Q. That's what i meant when i said "teams in general have not been very good at bringing americans in the Q"
I'm of the opinion that, unless you have a spot on a major junior team guaranteed and you can contribute, i would absolutely keep my scholarship and go the college route.
The problem i see with the college route is a few things - first thing is the scholarships are only 1 year in length. That's all they can guarantee. So...if i'm a 3rd/4th line player, and the recruiting class is great, then i could lose my spot on the team, which in turn means i loose my scholarship. If they made scholarships academic and 4yrs in length, it would take away the pressure from the ice and focus it in the classroom which is where it should be.
And, your right, they should co-exist. Example is Shea, if he has the opportunity to play in college and lets assume he is a good student, then i dont think your doing the kid a favor or protecting anyone's interest by not allowing him to play college hockey. He could play, but he would have to be on an academic scholarship and sit out 1 year of hockey. Essentially a college has to pay his ride for 1 full year without having him play hockey.
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has anyone here ever talked to ncaa coaches? well i have,,,ivy league is based on family situation other schools can offer but can also take back scholarships...besides Charlie Coyle name one that left and made an impact in CHL...one would even suggest that Leblanc never was the stud everyone thought he would be after playing in NCAA...go through previous drafts and see how many drafted in high NHL rounds actually made it as impact players? but played huge roles in NCAA...NHL teams want kids to go through CHL as games and intensity is at a much higher level...NHL teams draft NCAA because they then have 4 yrs to sign them unlike CHL where they have two...on a level playing field if CHL players were given 4 yrs to mature before signing it would nullify the NCAA draft pick...IMO....and yes look at kids stats in the states in the leagues they play in...subpar leagues means inflated stats
has anyone here ever talked to ncaa coaches? well i have,,,ivy league is based on family situation other schools can offer but can also take back scholarships...besides Charlie Coyle name one that left and made an impact in CHL...one would even suggest that Leblanc never was the stud everyone thought he would be after playing in NCAA...go through previous drafts and see how many drafted in high NHL rounds actually made it as impact players? but played huge roles in NCAA...NHL teams want kids to go through CHL as games and intensity is at a much higher level...NHL teams draft NCAA because they then have 4 yrs to sign them unlike CHL where they have two...on a level playing field if CHL players were given 4 yrs to mature before signing it would nullify the NCAA draft pick...IMO....and yes look at kids stats in the states in the leagues they play in...subpar leagues means inflated stats
once you play chl you lose your eligibilty to play NCAA ...has nothing to do with scholarships...you have played what NCAA considers PRO hockey therefore your eligibilty is gone...unless you were still in high school when you played CHL then yes you can sit out one year I believe but you can only play one year as a high school student in chl
WildcatMapleLeafs28
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The Wildcats signed defenceman Michael Porier, 18, to a tryout form yesterday. He played the past two seasons for the Moncton Flyers and this past season he was a first team all-star in the New Brunswick-P.E.I. Major Midget Hockey League.
I don't expect him to make the team as he was average this past season with the Flyers. Never hurts to have more depth at training camp.
I don't expect him to make the team as he was average this past season with the Flyers. Never hurts to have more depth at training camp.
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