Once the viaducts come down, I wonder if Concord would be willing to sell one of their plots of Expo land to the team in exchange for the Rogers Arena land + cash to make the difference. I can also see the City being involved in terms of zoning to make this all work for both parties.
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Once the viaducts come down, I wonder if Concord would be willing to sell one of their plots of Expo land to the team in exchange for the Rogers Arena land + cash to make the difference. I can also see the City being involved in terms of zoning to make this all work for both parties.
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International Village? I don't think they'd demo that entire building.
I believe Kerfoot sold the land now, to some developer.
I would said the area around Scott Road Station, but there's a new rec centre and some new apartments there. Still a bunch of land there though.
Can't see an owner opting for Surrey. With the skytrain lines/seabus giving options to get out to Richmond, North/West Van, Burnaby, Coquitlam from downtown, I don't see Surrey as an option.
International Village has been massively underused these past 3 decades. Only reason I bring it up. Not a lot going on there. One of the few downtown options if the price is right. Don't know where else an arena can go in Vancouver.
Maybe outside of downtown at the old Molson brewery on Burrard by Kits. So that people walk to Broadway for the skytrain or take a bus back downtown to catch the expo line. Just not a lot of options.
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I would think by the Emily Carr might be a good site. Its industry land in an industrial district relatively close to transit and downtown. You cant really build apartments there are its too industry and loud. Or maybe they could do it on the PNE grounds near Pacific Coliseum.
Otherwise you are probably looking near the Richmond Ice Centre
If we learn anything from AZ it’s that location matters. Has to be convenient for people to get to. Plus infrastructure to get people in and out of there.
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I don't think they can use International Village as I'm assuming it still has the railway right of way running through it.
It's fine, everyone just yells "CARRRRR", they move the nets aside, let the train pass through, and get back to playing.
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I don't think there are too many good sites for a new arena. Some drivers may dislike parking in the area but the transit connections are too convenient, allowing people from the suburbs and west side of Vancouver alike to just park at their nearest SkyTrain station then ride transit there. It also allows for downtown workers to head to a game after their shifts. That's a huge deal. You'd be looking at the lots right across the street, then... that's it. Other sites would have a mix of drawbacks Rogers Arena doesn't have.
Unlike most other cities in the continent, a lot of people here don't drive or dislike doing so even if they're affluent. Yet the suburbs are poorly connected with each other; our transportation infrastructure (transit and highways alike) converge into Vancouver. So a competing owner can't just plop an area somewhere along King George and not expect attendance to suffer because of it. It's arguably a worse idea than the Senators being based out in Kanata or the Panthers being in Sunrise.
Unlike most other cities in the continent, a lot of people here don't drive or dislike doing so even if they're affluent. Yet the suburbs are poorly connected with each other; our transportation infrastructure (transit and highways alike) converge into Vancouver. So a competing owner can't just plop an area somewhere along King George and not expect attendance to suffer because of it. It's arguably a worse idea than the Senators being based out in Kanata or the Panthers being in Sunrise.
A Surrey arena would be way worse than the Senators in Kanata. It's a comparable distance as the crow flies, but Ottawa is much less dense, has an empty greenbelt in the middle of the route, a highway that goes straight there, no bridges to deal with... when it's not rush hour, it's like 15-20 minutes driving from downtown. It's a boring location, but it's not nearly as bad as people make it sound.
Getting to Surrey from Vancouver proper, on the other hand, means no highway for the first chunk, far more density/traffic/merges to deal with, and the bottleneck of a bridge to cross. It would probably be better served by transit if you happen to be on the line, but that's about the only advantage.
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kanata population: ~140k
surrey population: ~520k
(langley population: ~140k)
i don't think it's likely the canucks move to surrey but it would be nothing like the sens playing in kanata. kanata is an outlet mall, a walmart and farms. surrey is the second biggest city in bc (and will probably be #1 by the time a new arena is on the table)
It's not like the attendees are coming only from the surrounding community. That's why the transportation issue is much more important than population.
Absolutely. How do people from North shore, Richmond, Vancouver, get home after a weekday game ends at 9:45pm?
No big plot of empty land around.
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Let's say a new ownership group comes in. What choice will they have? Aquilini will probably demo and build on Rogers Arena out of spite. Most land has been developed and whatever remaining land is slated for redevelopment into condo developments. The City of Vancouver is also dominated by NIMBY's who want venues such as PNE removed and would venomously protest a new arena there.
The proposed Hastings Skytrain line would definitely make the site more viable, but it is likely decades away.
Until then, it would be:
No one is buying the Canucks without a plan for an arena. Whether they purchase Rogers from the Aquilinis or make plans to purchase new land, it would be resolved before the purchase is finalized.
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i'm not saying a surrey arena would be better than a vancouver arena by any means. however, a new building isn't on the table in vancouver as long as rogers exists. surrey has the population and the political will to get an arena deal done IF the canucks are sold anytime in the next decade. the only other possible contenders are a privately funded building somewhere on the east side (maybe empire stadium?) or maybe along the river near marine gateway or fraserview
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I feel like this is a great idea but that whole area already has a monster redevelopment plan in progress now that the First Nations groups have retaken control of the area (power to them, its their land and Vancouver is hugely under density) but yeah the Molson plant is likely out
The only way Aquilini builds a new rinks is if the City of Vancouver lets him re-develop the Rogers Arena site for offices, condos, etc.
Is that something the City would ever be willing to do?....particularly if the owners wants to move the team to the suburbs?
Is that something the City would ever be willing to do?....particularly if the owners wants to move the team to the suburbs?
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Downtown/False Creek area is already maxed out. Your options are a temporary move to another arena while they rebuild/renovate Rogers Arena for a 20-25 year upgrade (likely) or land acquisition in South Vancouver (Marpole) or beyond (Surrey, Langley, Burnaby).
It's an issue across most of Metro Vancouver. Profit and priority is in housing developments. Hell, Vancouver is actively trying to get rid of all industrial lands in their municipality.
Now that Calgary appears to have a solid deal in place to build a new $1.2 billion rink to replace the Saddledome, one truth will be indisputable.
Amongst all the teams in the Northwest part of the NHL--Edmonton-Calgary-Seattle-Vancouver, the Canucks will soon have the 'oldest, seediest rink' on the circuit. Sort of matches the owner and the product on the ice.
Amongst all the teams in the Northwest part of the NHL--Edmonton-Calgary-Seattle-Vancouver, the Canucks will soon have the 'oldest, seediest rink' on the circuit. Sort of matches the owner and the product on the ice.
Arenas from the 90's will last. The biggest issue for Rogers moving forward is the concourse. Many teams with arenas from the 90's have spent 9 figures renovating them. STL, PHI, BOS, etc down the line. Even PHX Suns and the city put in $260 mill to renovate the arena which opened in 1992, 4 years older than Rogers and expanded the footprint a bit.
Would be better to have an extra 10-15 feet of room in the concourse. But, I don't see the city doing that for the Canucks when the viaducts go down.
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Meh, if Dubai can do this the Canucks can just terraform something in Burrard Inlet and put the arena there.
