Official 9th Baseball ATD Discussion Thread Part II

[Winger for Hire]

Semi off topic- I'm not sure if I don't like the new B-R layout or if I'm just not used to it.

 

[bluesfan94]

Semi off topic- I'm not sure if I don't like the new B-R layout or if I'm just not used to it.

I feel the same way.

 

[ryan callahan]

I feel the same way.

You'll get used to it after like a week.

 

[NJDevs26]

Semi off topic- I'm not sure if I don't like the new B-R layout or if I'm just not used to it.

I'm just glad they didn't change it during the draft

 

[Porn*]

My 2-5

Hr: 1983
RBI: 7000
chipper jones
468 1623
mickey mantle
536 1509
stan musial
475 1951
eddie murray
504 1917

off bench:
juan gonzalez
434 1404

Not too shabby

 

[darko]

The NL was very good this year IMO

Did you expect anything different with 8 of the smartest guys on these boards all in 1 league?

 

[bluesfan94]

Did you expect anything different with 8 of the smartest guys on these boards all in 1 league?

I'm still smarting that someone said the best starting pitching was in the NL.

 

[darko]

I'm still smarting that someone said the best starting pitching was in the NL.

That man spoke the truth.

 

[td_ice]

I'm still smarting that someone said the best starting pitching was in the NL.

Haha.....if it makes you feel any better, out of the 16 teams, I had you tied for best SP with another team.

 

[bluesfan94]

That man spoke the truth.

I just don't see how. I have two bonafide aces, a top end #2, a #2, and a low-end #3

 

[Ben Grimm]

"Every strike brings me closer to the next home run." Babe Ruth

 

[Winger for Hire]

I just don't see how. I have two bonafide aces, a top end #2, a #2, and a low-end #3

Your (starting) pitchers are going to be shocked to see a black man or a Latino stroll up to the plate to swing. Also, you don't have a single Cy Young winner on your staff.

Just sayin', not hatin'

 

[darko]

Who has the scariest 3-4-5? UL Wash with Foxx, Ott and Schmidt, wow.

For my team, if we can give an estimate of 600 career MLB HRs for Gibson (which I think is reasonable) then I have 3 guys that potentially combined for 1,800 HRs.

No doubt UL has the best lineup. Questionable rotation through.

Then again it worked for me last season.

 

[darko]

I just don't see how. I have two bonafide aces, a top end #2, a #2, and a low-end #3

Yours is better but i do find Walsh overrated.

Between us we have 4 of the top-5 pitchers of all time IMO.

 

[Pwnasaurus]

Just a reminder votes are due 23 hours and 15 minutes from now.

Please get them in. Please. Please.

 

[darko]

I'll get mine in the next 11 hours and 15 mins.

NL is a coin toss.

 

[Winger for Hire]

NL is a coin toss.

Tails!

 

[darko]

Tails!

Tails never fails.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Yours is better but i do find Walsh overrated. Between us we have 4 of the top-5 pitchers of all time IMO.

It's impossible for 2 GMs to acquire 4 of the top 5 pitchers. Who are your top 5 pitchers? You don't have Walter Johnson, Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax, Cy Young, Pedro Martinez, Satchel Paige, Bob Gibson, Greg Maddux, and Tom Seaver. I hope this is a joke.

 

[Winger for Hire]

I have one of those guys.... yessss!!!

It's all coming up roses for Winger this year!!

And my final votes are sign, sealed, and delivered. Good teams this year. Should make for some really good series.

Hope everyone votes the whole way through this season.

 

[darko]

It's impossible for 2 GMs to acquire 4 of the top 5 pitchers. Who are your top 5 pitchers? You don't have Walter Johnson, Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax, Cy Young, Pedro Martinez, Satchel Paige, Bob Gibson, Greg Maddux, and Tom Seaver. I hope this is a joke.

Top-6.

Grover, Mathewson, Clemens, Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson and Randy Johnson (in no particular order).

And it's not a joke.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Top-6. Grover, Mathewson, Clemens, Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson and Randy Johnson (in no particular order). And it's not a joke.

That's a matter of opinion.

 

[Winger for Hire]

From my rankings formula lab:

Best Lineup- AL Team
Best Defense- NL Team
Best Bench- NL Team
Best Rotation- AL Team
Best Bullpen- NL Team

Weakest Lineup- AL Team
Weakest Defense- 3 way tie (2 AL; 1 NL)
Weakest Bench- AL Team
Weakest Rotation- 3 way tie (2 AL; 1 NL)
Weakest Bullpen- 2 way tie (1 AL; 1 NL)

Best Overall Team- AL Team (84.35pts)
Weakest Overall Team- NL Team (67.30pts)

Average AL Team Ranking (out of 100)- 74.60pts
Average NL Team Ranking (out of 100)- 75.21pts

Best Team in the AL- 84.35pts (2nd- 78.40pts)
Best Team in the NL- 79.55pts (2nd- 78.75pts)

Difference between 1st and 2nd in AL- 5.95pts
Difference between 1st and 7th in NL- 6.05pts

 

[NJDevs26]

I'm not sure I even want to know what kind of system you used with fractional points

My rankings were a bit simpler, roto style. And I didn't really compare NL teams to AL teams since I assume no interleague matchups till the ATD World Series, just each league in its own rankings.

Since I had rotation as 2/3 of my pitching grade and bullpen as 1/3 I gave 16 points if you had the best rotation in the league, 14 for second best and so on until 2 for the eighth best. For bullpens it was 8-1 in inverse order (best pen got eight points, worst 1). Did the same thing for batting order and bench/D with the starting eight on the 16 point scale and the bench/D on the eight point scale. So basically if you had the top rank in every category for the league you would get 48 points, and 6 if you had the worst ranking across the board. I think the highest total I gave was 41 points and lowest was 10 points.

Amazingly there were no ties to break though one league I had the top six teams rated 35, 33, 31, 30, 29 and 28.

 

[Winger for Hire]

I'm not sure I even want to know what kind of system you used with fractional points

Well, in case anyone else was interested... it's a lot simpler than it seems. Excel is my best friend.

I rated all teams in the 6 main categories (Lineup-Rotation-Bench-Bullpen-Defense-Manager) on a 1-10 scale (10 = perfect; 1 = John Russell level dumpster fire; using all numbers between- 5.5, 7.25, etc- to try to avoid ties and to add some nuance to the rankings).

Then I decided how much weight I was going to have each category have. I settled on 30%, each, for Lineup and Rotation, 10% for Defense, 15% for Bullpen, 11% for Bench, and 4% for Manager. Then made a formula to do the math for me.

Here's the formula if anyone wants to do something similar (D2, E2, etc are the cell names and will differ; you can change the weights to your liking; multiplying by 10 at the end normalizes everything to a 100 point scale)

=((D2*0.3)+(E2*0.1)+(F2*0.3)+(G2*0.15)+(H2*0.11)+(I2*0.04))*10

I toyed with the straight Roto rankings, but it just feels wrong, to me- everyone else can certainly feel differently, to have the Bullpen, Bench, and Manager have the same weight as your starters. Most managers got drafted in rounds starting with "2", 99% of starters got drafted in single digit rounds. It also allows me to let teams have the same rankings for different aspects of their team. For example I have 4 teams ranked "7.5" for rotation. I feel those 4 teams have pretty similar rotations, but if I did straight roto rankings I would have had a huge point difference between team 1 and 4 in that range.

This certainly isn't a perfect ranking system, but I find it works well for me and, as I said earlier, you can easily adjust the weighting system to suit your ideals and likes (or to prop your team higher in the rankings )

*Fun Fact- My team did not finish 1st in my NL rankings*