Official 2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

Well it’s probably best not to extend the olive branch to Overhardt by drafting Martin. That can be mended later. Just draft the leftover of Hagens, Frondell, Martone, and Desnoyers. I do think one of Martin and O’Brien becomes a good player though
 
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Holy mackerel, I had low expectations for Martin, and he still came up short. 4 periods in, but there’s zero chance I’m missing anything.

But Martin is completely plodding in his mobility. Sluggish short strides and footwork. Legit below average NHL hands — can barely handle a puck. That’s the heaviest hitting I saw. Aimless floater away from it offensively. Not convinced he’s a center projecting up. This is your nightmare pick. McQueen is better than this guy, and I don’t have any doubt. I honestly wonder if Martin is a 4th line NHLer.

I am the exact idiot who reads this and bookmarks the video for later because it feels interesting. Today was indeed later.

I obviously do not understand the conversation because this was 27 minutes of an autoscroller given sentience. When he tries to kick up into 2nd gear, he has the posture and cadence of an old man climbing stairs. I can’t make any grand statements about the 20s based on one game, but there’s no way this is the 6th best bet in any class on draft day.

Is there anyone here who likes Martin and watched this? I know it’s a nebulous term, but what I specifically want to know is what you think about his vision in this game. I keep seeing that praised as a strength. I’m guessing this is an issue where the term means something different to me than it does others, but I’d like some confirmation. Or maybe I just picked the wrong game.
 
I am the exact idiot who reads this and bookmarks the video for later because it feels interesting. Today was indeed later.

I obviously do not understand the conversation because this was 27 minutes of an autoscroller given sentience. When he tries to kick up into 2nd gear, he has the posture and cadence of an old man climbing stairs. I can’t make any grand statements about the 20s based on one game, but there’s no way this is the 6th best bet in any class on draft day.

Is there anyone here who likes Martin and watched this? I know it’s a nebulous term, but what I specifically want to know is what you think about his vision in this game. I keep seeing that praised as a strength. I’m guessing this is an issue where the term means something different to me than it does others, but I’d like some confirmation. Or maybe I just picked the wrong game.
My theory is "Him hit! Him good! Oh him make pass too!"
 
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Side thing, why the hell is O'Brien flying up the picks now? He was probably 8 to 10 and now Button says he goes 5? What?
You see this a lot in drafts where I think its a tactic by agents, scouts and gm to try and get someone to slide to your spot, sometimes its medical concerns or downplaying medical concerns. The list makers typically talk to front office people as well as review tape to rank individuals.

On the media side of things its to get views/clicks, this guy cannot say the same exact thing as the other guy or he wont get views/clicks.

Unfortunately the Flyers seems to be the gullible team when it comes to the misinformation that comes out during the draft.
 
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I can promise you people on here have been telling anyone who would listen, how laughable it was that the team thought they could accurately project the strength of the non-lottery for a draft more than 12 months in advance. And it had nothing to do with people having an advanced knowledge of the ‘25 draft class. It had everything to do with how history told us it would play out.

And if you are looking for opinions you don’t have to look very hard. People make their opinions pretty well known. They even post lists sometimes!
Speaking of lists, are you doing one this year? I always enjoy reading yours.
 
Speaking of lists, are you doing one this year? I always enjoy reading yours.
You into colors? I’ll have something in some form. Work has been kicking my ass lately.

My lists recently have been more stat/profile focused than on ice. You can get on ice scouting from @BigToe when he’s not being a lazy piece of shit. The Flyers have kinda sapped the enjoyment out of actually wanting to watch hockey more than I have to.
 
You into colors? I’ll have something in some form. Work has been kicking my ass lately.

My lists recently have been more stat/profile focused than on ice. You can get on ice scouting from @BigToe when he’s not being a lazy piece of shit. The Flyers have kinda sapped the enjoyment out of actually wanting to watch hockey more than I have to.
The pressure on @BigToe to produce is mounting.
 
No one's been going on and on about the 25 draft. Everyone has been bemoaning the fact that the org chose to load up on a weak draft, a popular consensus thought.

Now the draft could turn out to be great, or even just great for the Flyers. Don't lie about what people have been talking about.

Also I'd take the opinion of some who post here over everyone who currently works for the Flyers.
Like I said, selective memory.. the people who make their so called choices are spread all over the place changing weekly covering all their bases so they can come back and say see...I KNEW IT.
So put your choices here..now..and we'll see hoe you do, hell we might even agree.
 
I love hockey but cannot analyze the game the way some of you can. I swear there's better analysis on the NHL and the draft here than there is in the Flyers' organization. Not every evaluation (draft, NHL player, contract) that is a consensus on these boards hits, but the team would be a lot better if they just polled and took the advice of this site.
The Hurricanes drafts are seemingly always well liked here, and well... They seemingly hit on every pick
 
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Like I said, selective memory.. the people who make their so called choices are spread all over the place changing weekly covering all their bases so they can come back and say see...I KNEW IT.
So put your choices here..now..and we'll see hoe you do, hell we might even agree.

For the record, I don't know shit. And I'm sure as hell not going to watch everyone, so there's no point in making a list. I also won't be in here saying I told you so. I might develop a favorite guy whose career I follow, but that's a different topic.

I have no idea why you would imply malice from any of the recent discussion unless there's some kind of horrible post I can't see. It is in human nature to be more likely to forget the times we were wrong. There is definitely something to that, but the way to bring it up isn't to shit on the rug and scream for everyone else clean it up. Make a list yourself before demanding it from others. But do give them time. The draft is well over a month away.

What I personally have been complaining about for the last year is exactly what FLYguy said -- no one knows what the draft is going look like a year in advance. The Flyers' actions say they think they can. I'm sure you can go back to the beginning of this thread and find some very smart people who were more excited then than now. Sometimes guys disappoint. That's just how it works. I'm going to pick Appleyard here because I think he has a proper, measured take on the nuts and bolts of how evaluations evolve over time and will take it as I'm intending it, with zero malice whatsoever.

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That was 7/1/24. His opinions on those players have now changed. They're going to change significantly every single year. It's not his fault that Ryabkin had a complete meltdown. His choices now are to amend that opinion or look like a complete idiot and argue against what he now thinks in a desperate attempt to save face. I would submit that he's taken the reasonable road here.

*Edit* I felt bad, so I included a terrible take from me. It's football, because that's mostly what I care about these days.

This Idiot said:
1. Lewis Cine is not far behind Hamilton and way out in front of S3.

I was right on Hamilton being the next great Safety and yet I was still so hilariously wrong that this fits snugly as a complete embarrassment. This is the fun to me. No one is actually good at projecting draftable players. The hill is unclimbable. Most people who spend free time doing this and not just regurgitating opinions realize the limitations.

P.S. He's now an Eagle with zero guarantees on his contract. I believe in Vic. :laugh:
 
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Like I said, selective memory.. the people who make their so called choices are spread all over the place changing weekly covering all their bases so they can come back and say see...I KNEW IT.
So put your choices here..now..and we'll see hoe you do, hell we might even agree.
No not selective memory the majority on this board has been calling this draft crap for quite some time. Nice try
 
If you can get TSN, the are showing all three CHL finals! OHL tonight, WHL and QMJHL Friday and ongoing for all three series! CHL - Canadian Hockey League - Teams, Scores, Stats, News, Standings, Rumours

OHL: London vs Oshawa - scout Bonk and Barkey; Eligibles: Wang, Owen Griffin, Sinivuori, Read, VanGorp.
WHL: Medicine Hat vs Spokane - McKenna for next year; Pickford, McCann, Schoettler, Sarkenov.
QMJHL: Moncton vs Rimouski - Desnoyers; Sumpf.
 
You see this a lot in drafts where I think its a tactic by agents, scouts and gm to try and get someone to slide to your spot, sometimes its medical concerns or downplaying medical concerns. The list makers typically talk to front office people as well as review tape to rank individuals.

On the media side of things its to get views/clicks, this guy cannot say the same exact thing as the other guy or he wont get views/clicks.

Unfortunately the Flyers seems to be the gullible team when it comes to the misinformation that comes out during the draft.
This doesn’t get talked about enough this time of year. There is a lot of BS out there now.

Like if you were the Bruins for example, why wouldn’t you put out info hyping up prospects like Martin or JOB in the hopes the Flyers take them and pass on someone much better? I would. Most teams can see through the bullshit. I’m not sure the Flyers can. Martin would be an absolute disastrous pick at 6.
 
This team man. Worst “luck” ever. How is it that teams like the Pens and Blackhawks know just when to tank and get picks.

I don't think either team was tanking (the Crosby-era Pens and Kane-era Hawks). They were legitimately bad. Hawks leadership was incompetent and had an owner who basically abandoned them. Pens were bankrupt and on the verge of being sold and possibly relocated.

Pens are not tanking now - in fact they're doing what most Flyers fans would hate. Trying to retool and hang on to the glory days and squeeze every ounce of value from it.

Hawks are tanking though.
 
If you can get TSN, the are showing all three CHL finals! OHL tonight, WHL and QMJHL Friday and ongoing for all three series! CHL - Canadian Hockey League - Teams, Scores, Stats, News, Standings, Rumours

OHL: London vs Oshawa - scout Bonk and Barkey; Eligibles: Wang, Owen Griffin, Sinivuori, Read, VanGorp.
WHL: Medicine Hat vs Spokane - McKenna for next year; Pickford, McCann, Schoettler, Sarkenov.
QMJHL: Moncton vs Rimouski - Desnoyers; Sumpf.

Speaking of which, "Kelowna Rockets" is a kick-ass name - they deserve better than the shit thing someone puked out for their blouses. Don't get me wrong - they'll never be the Kamloops Blazers - but they deserve better than this f***ing thing:

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EDIT: Maybe it's not that bad, but they aren't the f***ing Dragons. Come on, Kelowna - pull your head out.
 
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I am the exact idiot who reads this and bookmarks the video for later because it feels interesting. Today was indeed later.

I obviously do not understand the conversation because this was 27 minutes of an autoscroller given sentience. When he tries to kick up into 2nd gear, he has the posture and cadence of an old man climbing stairs. I can’t make any grand statements about the 20s based on one game, but there’s no way this is the 6th best bet in any class on draft day.

Is there anyone here who likes Martin and watched this? I know it’s a nebulous term, but what I specifically want to know is what you think about his vision in this game. I keep seeing that praised as a strength. I’m guessing this is an issue where the term means something different to me than it does others, but I’d like some confirmation. Or maybe I just picked the wrong game.
That was the video that put me to sleep.

Almost nothing happens for 20 straight minutes.
 
Speaking of which, "Kelowna Rockets" is a kick-ass name - they deserve better than the shit thing someone puked out for their blouses. Don't get me wrong - they'll never be the Kamloops Blazers - but they deserve better than this f***ing thing:

Rockets-default-1.jpg
It's meant to be Ogopogo, which the Okanagan version of the Loch Ness monster.

Obviously has nothing to do with "Rockets", but is some local flavour.
 
You into colors? I’ll have something in some form. Work has been kicking my ass lately.

My lists recently have been more stat/profile focused than on ice. You can get on ice scouting from @BigToe when he’s not being a lazy piece of shit. The Flyers have kinda sapped the enjoyment out of actually wanting to watch hockey more than I have to.
The pressure on @BigToe to produce is mounting.
Meh. Just take the best profiles and pray.
 
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