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Official 2025 NHL DRAFT Thread
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Forget next week. I’ll whoop your ass back into next year, bud. Use it as an opportunity to improve your 2024 rankings.
FLYguy3911
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I know for a fact Amstrong knows all about him so there's a 5'7 chance...Mooney is balling again
Gregor Samsa
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Hoping Cootes makes it to the 2nd Flyers 1st
I have to ask who exactly are you reading lol? All the major independent outlets have him as a top 6 at the very least:
- Althetic Pronman : 1C
- Athletic Wheeler: Top 6 C
- Elite Prospects: Top 6C
- Tsn Bob Mckenize: Top 6C
- Tsn Button: Top 6C
I think Hagens used to project as a 1C but not people switch that to strong top 6 C
Gregor Samsa
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If Michkov reaches his potential, good chance the center on his line will look like a bonafide 1C
Desnoyers has 22 points in 10 playoffs games. 10 more points than anyone else on his team.
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Gregor Samsa
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I’d like to see Desnoyers in the memorial cup. I have to admit he’s grown on me a bit. I think there is a solid chance he can go before the Flyers pick meaning one of Frondell, Hagens, or even Misa is there. What worries me a bit is if Flyers drop to 6th. If we stay 5th or better I think we are getting someone I’d be happy with
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flyersnorth
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Daily Faceoff had him as middle six C. Smaht Scouting has him outside the Top 10. FC Hockey has him as a 2C. Ferrari at THN has profiled him as a complementary player, one who won't be the driver on a line. LWOS looked at the range of scout rankings, and they are anywhere from 3rd overall to somewhere in the teens.
And a common theme across many of the scouting profiles is that he does not have an elite skillset.
From LWOS -
The biggest concern holding Desnoyers back from being an undisputed top-10 pick is his skating. While his straight-line speed is serviceable, he lacks the explosive acceleration to pull away from defenders in transition.
Two comparables for Desnoyers that he should try to model his game after are Sean Couturier (Philadelphia Flyers) and Mark Stone (Vegas Golden Knights). Caleb might not necessarily be as good as either of these players, but the similarities are definitely there.
If the Flyers draft him, of course I would be happy and hope he reaches his absolute potential.
Gregor Samsa
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The way I see it, Desnoyers finishing the year strong and hopefully shining in the Memorial Cup can only be a good thing. It will either raise his stock and he goes before the Flyers draft pushing someone down to the Flyers or it will give more optimism if Flyers draft him as 84 pts in 56 games isn’t super exciting. Rooting for him at this point
There seems to be some noise about Frondell going to Chicago which is interesting. The odds are that Flyers don’t stay at 4 but if they do I wouldn’t be that shocked if Nashville didn’t take Misa and he fell to the Flyers. I think the Flyers are selling out as far as drafting a potential center which is fine in this draft if they’re in the top 5, but I worry if they’re 6th and Martone is still available they’ll draft someone like O’Brien over him. O’Brien could become a great player but that would be a little disappointing of a pick
There seems to be some noise about Frondell going to Chicago which is interesting. The odds are that Flyers don’t stay at 4 but if they do I wouldn’t be that shocked if Nashville didn’t take Misa and he fell to the Flyers. I think the Flyers are selling out as far as drafting a potential center which is fine in this draft if they’re in the top 5, but I worry if they’re 6th and Martone is still available they’ll draft someone like O’Brien over him. O’Brien could become a great player but that would be a little disappointing of a pick
I'll be honest, I think while I really, really like Hagens (dude is a legit passer), I could see Frondell being the guy the Flyers should be looking for, or probably would be looking at. Seeing that he's someone who can push the pace offensively while being 2 way helps.
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If the Flyers draft him, he should change his middle name to Schenn - Braeden Schenn Cootes.
Pronman has him going just after the Flyers two late picks.
2025 NHL Mock Draft: Pronman projects all 32 first-round picks before the lottery
We don't have a draft order yet, but why should that stop us from doing our first mock of 2025?
www.nytimes.com
4. Philadelphia Flyers: James Hagens, C, Boston College (Hockey East)
Hagens played well for Boston College this season in a support role behind a loaded forward group. He has elite speed and skill, and he could be a dangerous top-six center. The Flyers continue to swing on upside at the top of the lineup, adding a much-needed premium center piece, although not every scout is convinced Hagens is a center in the NHL.24. Philadelphia Flyers: Daniil Prokhorov, LW, Dynamo St. Petersburg (MHL)
Prokhorov brings a mix of size, skill and nasty from the MHL and can be dangerous off the rush. He’s still raw but flashes clear NHL traits. Philly adds a higher-ceiling winger with one of its three first-round picks.25. Philadelphia Flyers: Milton Gastrin, C, MoDo (Sweden Jr.)
Gastrin is a steady two-way center who played big minutes in Sweden’s junior circuit. He’s a good skater and puck handler who can score but also plays hard and is a leader on the ice.
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BernieParent
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Skill has to be first by far, after which a line-up can be backfilled by big, hard-hitting players with enough skill to not be liabilities. Teams that are blessed with skilled and big players are ahead of the curve.
JojoTheWhale
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I can’t believe we’re still doing “Look at Cup Winners” stuff. The playoffs are not designed to have the best team win. It’s an entertainment product with wild randomness that plays out over weeks. There’s no getting around that.
FLYguy3911
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BernieParent
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FWIW, my order of want at this moment is:
- Misa
- Schaefer
- Frondell
- Hagens
- Martone
- Desnoyers
- Ryabkin (later pick; move up if necessary)
- Misa
- Schaefer
- Frondell
- Hagens
- Martone
- Desnoyers
- Ryabkin (later pick; move up if necessary)
TheKingPin
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If the Flyers get bumped to 6 then Desnoyers is fine. If they stay at 4 they will have good and better options.
My thinking is Michkov can be a play driver on his line so you can put him with a lesser center, Jett or maybe the 4th pick this year. Still need a 1C, this year or next year.
My thinking is Michkov can be a play driver on his line so you can put him with a lesser center, Jett or maybe the 4th pick this year. Still need a 1C, this year or next year.
Appleyard
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People also seem to have an inherent bias when discussing this.
The Penguins and Avs were two of the smallest teams in the league and won... the size does not seem to matter at all when you look into it. Top end talent alongside depth, a long window, and some luck are the unifying factors.
Give yourself a 7 year window as a top ~5-6 team in the league and you are 50:50 to win one cup mathematically. Most "surefire" way to win. And it still might not happen.
iceman42
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Meanwhile Misa did the opposite
Cant go chasing trends, big team only, small team only, only 4th liners. You can have a philosophy and build around that but to keep pivoting based on trends doesn't work. You also cant copy someone else's philosophy without understanding the underlying reasoning -- you end up with a small team that does dump and chase exclusively.
IronMarshal
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But the goal is to win the Stanley Cup Cup. Entertaining teams are fine, fun too watch and root for, but winning the championship is the goal and should be the goal.
EdmFlyersfan
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I wasn't sure where to post this but the Hurricanes are having contract issues with Nikishin...Briere should be all over this, maybe Briere can package some draft picks and a player and bring him to Philly.
www.prohockeyrumors.com
Alexander Nikishin's Camp Unhappy With Delay In Registering Contract
Alexander Nikishin's representation is fed up with the Hurricanes' delay in finalizing his contract. Read more at Pro Hockey Rumors.
www.prohockeyrumors.com
JojoTheWhale
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That's not the point I was making. For the record, entertainment is subjective. If you enjoyed the mid-90s Devils that's fine by me.
The playoffs themselves are a constructed entertainment product. They're not designed to tell you who the best team in that season was. You build teams based on the best indicators of future success you have, which for us is not who happens to win a playoff bracket run exactly one time.
Or to put it another way, if you play the entire bracket out 100 times last year, we know the Panthers don't win it anywhere near 100 of them, right? It's not just less than 50. It's less than 25. Maybe one particular favorite wins it 15 of those. So why are we basing everything on that one run? It's not sound probabilistic thinking.
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I wasn't sure where to post this but the Hurricanes are having contract issues with Nikishin...Briere should be all over this, maybe Briere can package some draft picks and a player and bring him to Philly.
Alexander Nikishin's Camp Unhappy With Delay In Registering Contract
Alexander Nikishin's representation is fed up with the Hurricanes' delay in finalizing his contract. Read more at Pro Hockey Rumors.
Both late 1sts and Bonk for him.
Dude is that good.
BernieParent
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