Official 2025 NHL DRAFT Thread
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Fly0rDie
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I’d have it the exact same, except I wouldn’t be too pissed if they had Desnoyers above Martone…
Magua
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Hagens blew Beniers out of the water in their respective D-1s. 41 points in 44 NTDP games compared to 102 points in 58 games. Hagens broke Kucherov's u18s single tourney record. Their skill isn't close. Beniers played with fantastic teammates too at Michigan his draft year.
You'll never guess this, in light of conversations from the last few days, but Beniers was compared to Bergeron/Toews because of his elite hockey IQ yada yada yada. I liked Beniers a lot, and he is as good defensively as his hype. The offense just isn't tracking good enough to be elite, and his pre-NHL seasons don't make that surprising in hindsight (I honestly thought he'd be a little better). That's what usually happens with well-rounded, no standout trait guys. If we drafted Beniers as our franchise center, paired with Luchanko, do we feel content exiting a rebuild?
"Why did Hagens disappoint?" is a valid conversation. The linemate fit was more awkward than on paper. Part of me thinks Hagens' athletic profile is a tad flatter than you'd like, which can manifest up levels. He's quick, but he doesn't have the best separation gear. Celebrini moves better, no question. It usually comes down to that. Although Fantilli had the elite skating + production, but he has outlier struggled.
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Flyerfan4life
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I think Konecny is more moveable at this point than Tippett. Kid could unreal with someone like Bedard. Shit, even the Sharks have complete ass for RW. He could do wonders with Celebrini and Smith.
What a pass by O’Brien. This is peak him at his best. Elite level passer
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Not that Leonard and Perreault are slouches, but that 2023-24 BC team was much more explosive offensively than this year’s team. Leonard and Perreault (basically all returners) took steps back statistically with Gauthier and Smith gone.
Say what you will about Gauthier, but he likely adds a few PP points to a bunch of those guys totals alone.
Celebrini also obviously benefitted from L. Hutson. Don’t want to over-state the point because the 24-25 BC team was far from bad… but easy to envision scenarios where Hagens puts up a much better stat line and still is in the 1OA conversation without any difference in his own development.
EDIT: And now I’m talking myself into loving Hagens, but comparing Cole Eiserman to Hagens is pretty revealing. Played on the same USNTDP team, same WJC team… Hagens consistently outscores him. But similar NCAA numbers. You can go crazy with the transitive property of player stats… but I’d bet Hagens would have put up 45+ points on that BU team just based on the consistent separation between those two.
Say what you will about Gauthier, but he likely adds a few PP points to a bunch of those guys totals alone.
Celebrini also obviously benefitted from L. Hutson. Don’t want to over-state the point because the 24-25 BC team was far from bad… but easy to envision scenarios where Hagens puts up a much better stat line and still is in the 1OA conversation without any difference in his own development.
EDIT: And now I’m talking myself into loving Hagens, but comparing Cole Eiserman to Hagens is pretty revealing. Played on the same USNTDP team, same WJC team… Hagens consistently outscores him. But similar NCAA numbers. You can go crazy with the transitive property of player stats… but I’d bet Hagens would have put up 45+ points on that BU team just based on the consistent separation between those two.
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If the draft order stays as it is now, I think there is a chance Misa makes it to the Flyers at 4. I wouldn’t be surprised if Chicago bucks the consensus a bit, and who knows with Nashville
Magua
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Celebrini being 1 year younger than all of these guys -- a true 17 year old -- probably doesn't get mentioned enough. Eichel, Fantilli, Hagens, Buium etc. are/were all 18 year old draft year freshmen. Still wildly impressive. No 17 year old freshman has ever been a point/game and Celebrini wins the Hobey at 1.7 p/g. Arguably, the next best was Toews 50 years ago, along with Werenski. Celebrini was just a helluva prospect.
Eiserman and Hagens are basically the same age (Eiserman is 2 weeks from this class). Eiserman was the consensus 2nd overall to start his draft year. It was the Celebrini-Eiserman draft.
I think he suffered a tiny bit of overcorrection, but the knock on him became about decisions and fitting too much into that questionable shooting archetype, which sorta did downplay his raw skill. Hagens doesn't have those knocks. Sure enough, Eiserman had goofy splits with 25 goals to 11 assists at BU. Hagens was the exact opposite, while weirdly similarly in shot volume. The reason Hagens is still going 3rd or 4th is because he's a center and there's reason to not be pessimistic (and no one has stepped up after that).
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How is 1D not as big a need as 1C? Sanheim is 2nd pair on a good team. York maybe 3rd, but he’s a small D with no offense. Meh. The rest are junk and there is nothing in the system that screams top 4 calibre on a contender. Buium would have been that need addressed. They got a 3C instead. If they win the lottery, take the best prospect, which is Schaefer.
Buium update, takes his rookie lap in first playoff game and is on Minny’s first PP unit already. Looks good out there.
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Magua
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The argument when it’s even would be you will rarely find a 1C outside the ~top 3 picks. You cannot win without one. 1Ds get scattered all over the 1st, 2nd, 3rd rounds. Way higher variance. It’s arguable you don’t need a 1D to even win. Really probably two top pair defenders at ES and one plus PP QB, which doesn’t need to be one of the former. You can patchwork defense.
BPA fo’ life though. If I think Schaefer is that guy (I’m not sure?), then he’d be the guy. Chasing a position at the draft always makes you look dumb in hindsight. See: Flyers.
BPA fo’ life though. If I think Schaefer is that guy (I’m not sure?), then he’d be the guy. Chasing a position at the draft always makes you look dumb in hindsight. See: Flyers.
My draft lottery simulator must be broken. Chicago and Pittsburgh keep jumping up to 1 and 2
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Yea center is probably a bigger need than D considering we basically have no one now or coming at this point. I think for now at least Couts is 4C and Jett is 3C on a contender. Draft BPA, but it’s looking like they will have to draft center and hit this year and then hope to get lucky next year or pay up at UFA.
The stupid run last year hurt them. They should have been around top 5 at least 3 years in a row. Maybe they will be top 5 once?
The stupid run last year hurt them. They should have been around top 5 at least 3 years in a row. Maybe they will be top 5 once?
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Edit: Wild got a PP and put Buium out as PPQB. Very confident. Got a couple pucks on net. Got caught being casual going back to pick up a clearing and Stone beat him to it. Sealed him on the wall and took the puck off him like a veteran.
I said it before and people scoffed, but he would be the Flyers best Dman in his first shift.
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Larry44
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Have a couple of the Brantford-Oshawa games saved. Started watching G5 last night. O’Brien is pretty good but not top 7 good. Not really fast, but he's skilled and shifty.
Noah Powell plays on the Gens’ 2nd line with Barlow. Looks pretty good: skates well, can carry-pass the puck, goes to the net. We are well stocked with grinder-tweeners!
Simon Wang looked pretty good too. Huge and can really skate. Defends well, stands up at the blue line, moves the puck.
On the GWG by Campbell, Wang picked a pass and went up ice very quickly. [Edit; of course they didn't use the full zone entry by Wang, only the final set up.] Wang has decent hands too. Don’t know enough to compare him to other prospects but guys that big used to be gangly and spazzy but he seems pretty smooth.
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FlyerNutter
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The BPA big brain thing with the Flyers does make me chuckle a bit.
With this scouting team? Just stay with the consensus from overall rankings.
Going for a winger when they are so bereft of true centre or defensive talent would be disappointing. If that winger is miles above in terms of projection? Sure - but doesn’t really seem that way from the bit I’ve read.
This team likes to be smarter than everyone else in the room. Funny, but ultimately pathetic to watch.
Best thing for them is to get 1 or 2, and be more forced into a decision.
With this scouting team? Just stay with the consensus from overall rankings.
Going for a winger when they are so bereft of true centre or defensive talent would be disappointing. If that winger is miles above in terms of projection? Sure - but doesn’t really seem that way from the bit I’ve read.
This team likes to be smarter than everyone else in the room. Funny, but ultimately pathetic to watch.
Best thing for them is to get 1 or 2, and be more forced into a decision.
I would love this. Honestly I would go Misa #1 if they win the lottery. I know Schaeffer is the consensus top pick or close to it but this team's history with defensemen isn't great.
