Official 2024-25 Utah HC Season Discussion.

I would say their are 3 tiers, miss the playoffs, make the playoffs, then how far did you go.
This morning you used the upward trajectory in points as proof that Detroit is doing it right. Now someone else uses that logic as evidence that Utah is also doing it right, but now you say that logic is flawed.

According to your new model of 3 tiers, how has Detroit performed?
 
This morning you used the upward trajectory in points as proof that Detroit is doing it right. Now someone else uses that logic as evidence that Utah is also doing it right, but now you say that logic is flawed.

According to your new model of 3 tiers, how has Detroit performed?
91 points last year, just missed the playoffs, in a playoff spot this year, that is progress, Coyotes were sub 80 points last year and 82ish this year, its not enough progress.
 
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Sens fan coming in peace. What would you guys be willing to give for Josh Norris? Obviously there’s injury concerns, but he’s a good player and would be an upgrade. The cost to acquire him shouldn’t be anything earth shattering but the upside is high. He’s young, defensively responsible, PKs, good shot, great skater but has a high AAV and has been unlucky with injuries. On the other hand Sens have Pinto who could probably play a 2nd line role. It would allow to round out the lineup better if Norris wasn’t on the roster…

Would the Utah/Arizona faithful consider something like this:

Jack Mcbain/Lawson Crouse/Barrett Hayton
Juuso Valimaki
A pick

For

Josh Norris
 
So as a somewhat-bemused, formerly-rabid fan who no longer has much skin in the game ("utah lost again? Oh well"), but follows this team because he doesn't know what else to do...for the people who want BA and AT gone... who is available today that you go after?
 
Sens fan coming in peace. What would you guys be willing to give for Josh Norris? Obviously there’s injury concerns, but he’s a good player and would be an upgrade. The cost to acquire him shouldn’t be anything earth shattering but the upside is high. He’s young, defensively responsible, PKs, good shot, great skater but has a high AAV and has been unlucky with injuries. On the other hand Sens have Pinto who could probably play a 2nd line role. It would allow to round out the lineup better if Norris wasn’t on the roster…

Would the Utah/Arizona faithful consider something like this:

Jack Mcbain/Lawson Crouse/Barrett Hayton
Juuso Valimaki
A pick

For

Josh Norris
Norris injuries are a big concern, as is now his contract. I might consider that deal but Hayton has to be excluded. We need C's.
 
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So as a somewhat-bemused, formerly-rabid fan who no longer has much skin in the game ("utah lost again? Oh well"), but follows this team because he doesn't know what else to do...for the people who want BA and AT gone... who is available today that you go after?
I would think both get another year unless the team implodes like last year.
 
91 points last year, just missed the playoffs, in a playoff spot this year, that is progress, Coyotes were sub 80 points last year and 82ish this year, its not enough progress.
Today Detroit has 61pts., Utah 57pts. Teams play in a different conference for whatever that is worth. Detroit is like what, 2 yrs. ahead of Utah in their rebuild?
I'm not saying anyone should be satisfied, but fans expect more than what reality is many times. Detroit fans were calling for Yzerman's head awhile back as well. I personally think the rebuild is a year behind, but I'm willing to wait until years end to give my final opinion. There is a lot of hockey left.
 
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So as a somewhat-bemused, formerly-rabid fan who no longer has much skin in the game ("utah lost again? Oh well"), but follows this team because he doesn't know what else to do...for the people who want BA and AT gone... who is available today that you go after?
That's the tough question and why I think the changes will come this summer.
 
91 points last year, just missed the playoffs, in a playoff spot this year, that is progress, Coyotes were sub 80 points last year and 82ish this year, its not enough progress.
On a purely numerical basis, this post is laughable. Last year the Red Wings had 91 points. This year, as of today, they are on a pace for 90 (yes, 1 less). Last year the Coyotes had 77 points. This year, as of today, they are on a pace for 83. That is an improvement of 6 points. The Red Wings are in a playoff position today just because their conference is weaker than it was last year (at the bottom of the playoff group), not because they are doing better. On a points basis, as of today, the UHC has made more progress that Detroit has this year. Numbers don't lie.
 

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