Official 2024-25 Utah HC Season Discussion.

[Heldig]

Why do you say that? Simashev hasn't played one game in the NHL, Valimaki wouldn't be top six on a playoff team with his play this year. I think out of that group Utah should have a pretty solid top 4, but not sure if I would say top 10 nex year.

Of course we dont know how well Simashev will play. He is big, a fantastic skater and responsible defensively. Playing alongside Durzi means he does not have a lot of offensive responsibilities early on. I am optimistic he can start in the top 6.

The RHS is stacked. Lamoureux was excellent before his injury. If he is your 4th RHD that is a very good problem to have.

Valimaki has not been great. Could be options there including Maata, Cole, Koloynochok or a FA.

 

[larueskee]

Your time on ice leaders for the defense are 1 Sergachev 2 Cole 3 Kesselring 4 Maata. Maata is averaging 21.09 which is 2nd but he has only been here for 41 games.

 

[Stanley Thermos]

I think Maata has worn his TOI well, so far. I haven't had the sense that he's overworked. He looks like a pro out there managing his energy, anticipating the play and where he needs to go. He's certainly not prefect, but I'm please with how he's done for us given the cost and our need.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

both Utah and Roadrunners are having a tough time of it, big club lost 5 in a row and Roadrunners are 1-7-1-1 in their last 10 games

and neither team can score

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

both Utah and Roadrunners are having a tough time of it, big club lost 5 in a row and Roadrunners are 1-7-1-1 in their last 10 games

and neither team can score

They using Tourigny's system down in Tucson too? I'd think so for consistency.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Seriously! Anyone know?

Not always, but often AHL coaches are instructed to play the same system as the NHL affiliate so that call-ups are more seamless for the young players. So they don't have to adapt to a new system along with the higher level of play when they're called up. It also makes it easier to judge how far along a young player is when called up. Consistency has many benefits... unless the system is broken.

If Tucson is playing the same system as the big club, and it's not having success there either, it's a sign that it's a system issue and that falls on Tourigny because it's his system. Maybe this adds more credibility to the need of a coaching change?

 

[TheLegend]

They using Tourigny's system down in Tucson too? I'd think so for consistency.

Utah is paying them.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Utah is paying them.

Yep. The RR's are owned by Meruelo but staffed by Utah. That's why I expect that the teams are both still playing the same system. I had read before that they were with the Coyotes, probably still are.

Maybe Tourigny's system is (part of) the problem. The roster BA constructed, even with all the injuries, should be higher in the standings than this, IMO. I think blame falls on the coaching staff and the veteran players that we thought would be there but fell off a cliff instead. Issues with inconsistency and effort level from period to period and game to game is not a roster construction issue. Neither is falling apart in the third period repeatedly. It's a coaching and player accountability issue. At least, that's how I see it.

I think AT and his coaching staff are the only ones on the hot seat. We'll see! Never can tell what the owner of an NHL franchise is thinking for sure.

 

[Schemp]

At the end of the year, BA can use injuries to key players as one of the reasons or the reason the season was not successful. Durzi/Marino/Cooley/Gunts missing significant time. I think this is (partially) true.

I also think there are bigger problems under the surface with roster construction and our coach getting the team to a consistent level, last nights loss was just another example. BA/Bear talk to the media like everything is going great, as fans we all know it isn't true, this couldn't have been the bogie for this year or year 5 of BAs tenure. Why not say "we aren't happy with where we are and we expected to be better", at least own it.

Media vs closed doors? What is said behind closed doors is more important than the facade presented to the media!

 

[TheLegend]

At the end of the year, BA can use injuries to key players as one of the reasons or the reason the season was not successful. Durzi/Marino/Cooley/Gunts missing significant time. I think this is (partially) true.

I also think there are bigger problems under the surface with roster construction and our coach getting the team to a consistent level, last nights loss was just another example. BA/Bear talk to the media like everything is going great, as fans we all know it isn't true, this couldn't have been the bogie for this year or year 5 of BAs tenure. Why not say "we aren't happy with where we are and we expected to be better", at least own it.

Media vs closed doors? What is said behind closed doors is more important than the facade presented to the media!

This was a post Blues game comment. Doesn't look like Bear is shooting sunshine and rainbows up anyone's ass here to me, boys.

 

[featherhawk]

not sure how or why the Tourigny experiment with the yotes/utah franchise is not over yet...

this club should be much better from a results perspective.

my bet is that he is the next Head Coach to be fired unless Tocchet gets axed over the feuds in Van.

 

[cobra427]

Yep. The RR's are owned by Meruelo but staffed by Utah. That's why I expect that the teams are both still playing the same system. I had read before that they were with the Coyotes, probably still are.

Maybe Tourigny's system is (part of) the problem. The roster BA constructed, even with all the injuries, should be higher in the standings than this, IMO. I think blame falls on the coaching staff and the veteran players that we thought would be there but fell off a cliff instead. Issues with inconsistency and effort level from period to period and game to game is not a roster construction issue. Neither is falling apart in the third period repeatedly. It's a coaching and player accountability issue. At least, that's how I see it.

I think AT and his coaching staff are the only ones on the hot seat. We'll see! Never can tell what the owner of an NHL franchise is thinking for sure.

Bears side of the argument is injuries, young team and misconstructed roster, the finger can get pointed back at BA. I think there is some blame of both here.

 

[Jormungandr]

not sure how or why the Tourigny experiment with the yotes/utah franchise is not over yet...

this club should be much better from a results perspective.

my bet is that he is the next Head Coach to be fired unless Tocchet gets axed over the feuds in Van.

Because individual player growth among the young players has been pretty good under Tourigny for the most part. I’d say everything aside from Maccelli taking a step back this year has been positive.

This is an important aspect of coaches jobs on rebuilding teams, and he’s excelled at it for the most part. Cooley looks great, Guenther looks great, Kesselring is a big surprise, McBain, Doan, and even Maveric when he was up for awhile all look good.

Problem now is that we are trying to take a step forward and get actual results in the wins column and it’s not going well.

 

[TheLegend]

Bears side of the argument is injuries, young team and misconstructed roster, the finger can get pointed back at BA. I think there is some blame of both here.

I don't see Bear making that argument anywhere.... at all.

If he sees the team played well, even in a loss, he says it.

If they don't play well, even in a win, he says that.

 

[cobra427]

I don't see Bear making that argument anywhere.... at all.

If he sees the team played well, even in a loss, he says it.

If they don't play well, even in a win, he says that.

Talking in the press is different then his real thoughts with the GM and owner.

 

[TheLegend]

Talking in the press is different then his real thoughts with the GM and owner.

OH!!!! I didn't know that.

I guess you sit in on these conversations too?? Or use mind-reading techniques?

 

[cobra427]

OH!!!! I didn't know that.

I guess you sit in on these conversations too?? Or use mind-reading techniques?

Glad you have been enlightened

 

[TheLegend]

Glad you have been enlightened

To what??

That you've become a Jakey clone??

 

[Mangosteen]

To what??

That you've become a Jakey clone??

They are breeding!!!