Official 2024-25 Utah HC Season Discussion.

[Jakey53]

I said it last summer when assets were spent on Sergashev and I'll say it again, the team has a real Owner and a fanbase to excite so imo there is no way they stand pat and wait years for assets to develop. I expect more draft picks and possible prospects to be spent to get some real help right now. I think it's the logical move.

Who said anything about waiting years? BA has shown to be patient in the past and I think that will continue. I guess it will depend who is available and at what cost. I think BA would be a dumb fool to make a Hall type trade at this time.

Yeah. They can only fill so much of the roster with home-grown talent. They'll have to bring in help to strengthen the roster via trade or FA anyways at some point as the final stage of the rebuild. So long as they're not wasting assets on a rental or a short term fix I'm all for it.

I just won't be surprised if this TDL ends up being uneventful for us. Especially with all those players coming off of IR. I'm hoping for another interesting off-season so either way.

Opportunities to trade for young, in their prime defenseman like Sergachev don't happen often. If something like that comes up I'm sure BA will take a look whether it's pre TDL or during the off-season though. So anything is possible.

That's how I see it.

 

[Jamieh]

Who said anything about waiting years? BA has shown to be patient in the past and I think that will continue. I guess it will depend who is available and at what cost. I think BA would be a dumb fool to make a Hall type trade at this time.


That's how I see it.

And who exactly suggested a Hall type trade?

 

[AZviaNJ]

If we miss the playoffs by 2 points, we would have roughly 94 points, that is a 16 point improvement, which is success based on last year. Its still year 5 for BA, missing the playoffs 5 years in a row couldn't have been the goal in BAs master plan. 94 is close to meeting expectations, still not in the playoffs, its not exceeding the 5th year expectation for any GM. The team has never over achieved under Bear/BA, in fact they have been under the Vegas odds in points per year mostly.

At some point, they will both be held accountable, and which year do they run out of, "we are still young, Chayka left a mess, we are broke" ? At some point they will turn from reasons to excuses. If we make the playoffs, Smith likely sticks with both of them. If we don't, Smith needs to take a hard look at both of them. I have said many times that i think the team is misconstructed, built wingers first, and BA took too long to start the rebuild, I hope I am wrong and we make the playoffs this year, and go further in them next year.

Both before and after the move they prioritized draft picks and invested in development staff. The rebuild is not yet complete. Supplementing with vets like Sergy is great…but shouldn’t be the priority.

 

[cobra427]

Do you guys think your team is gonna buy?

Nothing meaningful, maybe a fill in vet for a second or a third. BA takes forever to make any moves involving real assets, first/OEL/Chych, etc.... BA also doesn't seem to have any pressure on him to make the playoffs this year, so no need to give up future assets for meaningful help this year. BAs goal is playing in meaningful games, not making the playoffs or having meaningful improvements through trades.

Both before and after the move they prioritized draft picks and invested in development staff. The rebuild is not yet complete. Supplementing with vets like Sergy is great…but shouldn’t be the priority.

I agree its not completed, I can tell by our record, the question is who will the GM and coach be once it is completed.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Nothing meaningful, maybe a fill in vet for a second or a third. BA takes forever to make any moves involving real assets, first/OEL/Chych, etc.... BA also doesn't seem to have any pressure on him to make the playoffs this year, so no need to give up future assets for meaningful help this year. BAs goal is playing in meaningful games, not making the playoffs or having meaningful improvements through trades.


I agree its not completed, I can tell by our record, the question is who will the GM and coach be once it is completed.

Probably neither.

 

[TheLegend]

Marino getting close…..

 

[TheLegend]

More injury updates..

 

[rt]

Boys. Dylan Guenther has one of our Clean Hits Dylan Guenther shirts. Haha.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

BA takes forever to make any moves involving real assets, first/OEL/Chych, etc....

So frustrating that he took so long to trade OEL and all we got back as the main piece was Dylan Guenther. Should've fired him right away after that. Priceless time wasted we'll never get back. Such a bad GM!!

 

[cobra427]

So frustrating that he took so long to trade OEL and all we got back as the main piece was Dylan Guenther. Should've fired him right away after that. Priceless time wasted we'll never get back. Such a bad GM!!

BA could have gotten more for OEL had he traded him a year earlier, his value didn't go up. I am glad Gunts looks so good, we have plenty of good wingers, the easiest position to play and get good players. 1D not so much. maybe we get the same pick a year earlier, same with Chych, the earlier you get the picks, the sooner the rebuild takes hold.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

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[Arizonatah Coyetis]

BA could have gotten more for OEL had he traded him a year earlier, his value didn't go up.

maybe we get the same pick a year earlier

Don't forget that OEL had a NTC and would only accept a trade to either VAN or BOS. Best I can tell:

BOS highest 2020 draft pick was 1st round, 27th OA (ended up trading it to ANA.)

VAN highest 2020 pick was 1st round, 20th OA (ended up trading it to TBL.)

The two teams that OEL would allow a trade to didn't have as much to offer in 2020. Waiting as long as BA did looks like it was out of necessity to me. Unless he was going to make a trade for quantity over quality just for the sake of time. And I'd take Guenther over a bunch of lesser parts any day.

Edit: And if I recall correctly it didn't seem like BOS was all that interested in trading for OEL. So that means that BA really only had Jim Benning to deal with. The good news is Benning was an idiot because I don't think any other GM in the NHL makes that trade. Especially without any competition from other teams to get the player.