Official 2024-25 Utah HC Season Discussion.

[Jakey53]

This team I think has played well over all, but then again you look at the standing and you wonder how can that be. The Sharks are ahead, but have played more games, Anaheim right behind, and both clubs are behind Utah in the rebuilding process in the terms of years. Then you look at teams like Ottawa, Buffalo and Detroit and we are same as them in pts. and they are a couple of years ahead in their rebuild. Maybe we are at where we should be?
There are so many ups and downs with the team, and like I said before, let the season play out and see where we stand. Winning is how you measure success in the NHL, not talk. Watching a team while they rebuild is hard and frustrating.

Me personally if I was BA. Crouse would be show cased next two games for a trade. Keeps shittng the bed and no takers bench him.

Fire the power play coach. We can not let the kids learn that losing is ok and acceptable. No free year passes here

Crouse has played poorly this year, but he was pretty good last year. Players have bad years and if you want to trade Crouse you have to wait until he starts to play better.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Us Coyote fans have been saying this for something like 20 yrs.

Not sure which part you're referring to?

 

[LittlePipes]

I wonder what a coach like Torts, DT, Trotz or Sutter would say? There is so much parity in the league right now and if you are a team like Utah and you lose a couple you can kiss the playoffs goodbye. Today we are six points out of the second wild card and have to pass five teams to make a wild card, and one of those teams is the Sharks, and right behind is Anaheim. Today we are on pace to finish with 79 pts. and last year we finished with 77. Winning is how you measure success, and right now Utah is not doing it. Is it talent, coaching or the GM thinking he is the smartest guy in the room? I wish I had the answers because I'm not sure Bear or BA do.


Until they don't. When do you draw the line?

It’s the team defensive play that leaves the Coyotes/UHC always seemingly underachieving, including goal tending. PERIOD. There are many many reasons why a team doesnt defend well, and I dont know which pertain here… but team D is the problem.
Whereas offense is , or can be, “see and react”, good team D has to be methodical, disciplined, structured, tenacious and “mean”. I dont know why, but that isnt us. And until it is, 1 dozen Simashev’s wont help a bit.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Crouse has played poorly this year, but he was pretty good last year. Players have bad years and if you want to trade Crouse you have to wait until he starts to play better.

That would be my preference. I don't think he's a part of this team's future and would like to move him. Don't want to sell low.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

good team D has to be methodical, disciplined, structured, tenacious and “mean”. I dont know why, but that isnt us. And until it is, 1 dozen Simashev’s wont help a bit.

If having better defensemen along with all the young players learning and maturing won't help, what will then?

 

[LittlePipes]

If having better defensemen along with all the young players learning and maturing won't help, what will then?

good question. in my view the players are the raw material. its the coaching and the team play philosophy forwarded, forced , imbued by the coaching staff that makes a team more ( or less) competitive.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

good question. in my view the players are the raw material. its the coaching and the team play philosophy forwarded, forced , imbued by the coaching staff that makes a team more ( or less) competitive.

I don't disagree but young teams make a lot more mistakes. How well are they executing the D structure put in place? That and our D is much, much more talented with Durzi, Marino, and Sim on it too.

I'm anxious to see how much changes on D just by getting Durzi and Marino back on the roster as BA intended when the season started. Hopefully fewer mistakes and more stability. I think just adding the veteran Maata has calmed things down quite a bit since joining the team. Hopefully they will help too. They should.

 

[LittlePipes]

I don't disagree but young teams make a lot more mistakes. How well are they executing the D structure put in place? That and our D is much, much more talented with Durzi, Marino, and Sim on it too.

I'm anxious to see how much changes on D just by getting Durzi and Marino back on the roster as BA intended when the season started. Hopefully fewer mistakes and more stability. I think just adding the veteran Maata has calmed things down quite a bit since joining the team. Hopefully they will help too. They should.

good dialogue!
GO ASU ( football and puck)

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Me personally if I was BA. Crouse would be show cased next two games for a trade. Keeps shittng the bed and no takers bench him.

Fire the power play coach. We can not let the kids learn that losing is ok and acceptable. No free year passes here

Thats great, but this is a message board and no one here is able to hold anyone accountable.

I wonder what a coach like Torts, DT, Trotz or Sutter would say? There is so much parity in the league right now and if you are a team like Utah and you lose a couple you can kiss the playoffs goodbye. Today we are six points out of the second wild card and have to pass five teams to make a wild card, and one of those teams is the Sharks, and right behind is Anaheim. Today we are on pace to finish with 79 pts. and last year we finished with 77. Winning is how you measure success, and right now Utah is not doing it. Is it talent, coaching or the GM thinking he is the smartest guy in the room? I wish I had the answers because I'm not sure Bear or BA do.


Until they don't. When do you draw the line?

You draw that line - get ‘em tiger!

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Us Coyote fans have been saying this for something like 20 yrs.

Not true, most have been tired of vet presence and wanted a rebuild (pain, or no pain) and now they bitch about the rebuild.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

good question. in my view the players are the raw material. its the coaching and the team play philosophy forwarded, forced , imbued by the coaching staff that makes a team more ( or less) competitive.

What about the “philosophy” don’t you like?

 

[TheLegend]

Until they don't. When do you draw the line?

Where they draw it.

 

[TheLegend]

 

[TheLegend]

 

[Heldig]

A Red Wings blogger suggested Dylan L:arkin has asked for a trade. Can you imagine?

Crouse + Hayton + ???

Keller - Larkin - Schmaltz (But next year)
McBain - Cooley - Guenther

 

[Perratrooper]

Are Crouse and Hayton players Utah would consider moving and if so, what sort of value would HC want back for either/both?

 

[lanky]

Are Crouse and Hayton players Utah would consider moving and if so, what sort of value would HC want back for either/both?

The return would almost have to be a C upgrade on Hayton, who is also relatively young.

The kind of player that doesn't normally get traded.

 

[tunnelvision]

CBJ fan coming in peace...

Do you expect Kesselring to be part of your D core for foreseeable future or could he become available for a trade before his contract expires?

 

[lanky]

Core. Not available.

 

[rt]

The Costco hot tub section at the end is pretty funny.

 

[rt]

Are Crouse and Hayton players Utah would consider moving and if so, what sort of value would HC want back for either/both?

Hmmm…my initial thought for Crouse would be something around Girard and Nabokov? Would add Valimaki. Thoughts?

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

Stauber has played really well both games and he looks solid in net.

Anyone who's a goalie has any thoughts as to his viability moving forward?

I know it's a small sample size, but Stauber has looked better than both Veggie & Ingram in his 2-starts

 

[Perratrooper]

Hmmm…my initial thought for Crouse would be something around Girard and Nabokov? Would add Valimaki. Thoughts?

I definitely would be interested in something like that. Would be difficult to move Nabokov though, just given the state of Colorado goaltending long term (recent goalie trades help the short term).

 

[rt]

I definitely would be interested in something like that. Would be difficult to move Nabokov though, just given the state of Colorado goaltending long term (recent goalie trades help the short term).

Bill Armstrong has been hunting for a goalie of the future since his first day on the job. Was rumored to want Demko or Swayman for OEL that first summer. Rumored to want Knight for Chychrun during that dragged our process. Then was rumored to have been in the mix for Askarov. He did draft Michael Hrabal who’s looking good. But I suspect he wants someone a little closer to prime time than a teenager in college. A soon to be 22 year old playing his 2nd full season as a starting goalie in the KHL is likely pretty appealing. Maybe Utah adds a 3rd to make it happen?

 

[TheLegend]