I think this fanbase needs to apologize to Ken Holland, yes he made his fair share of mistakes (Nurse to 9.25M, the Jack Campbell signing Trading a 1st and 2nd for Athanasiou) but he made several good moves like trading for Ekholm and signing Hyman and Kane to $5 million dollar deals and drafting both Broberg and Holloway.
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Satoru Gojo
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Stan needs to go simply for watching Stu play like complete shit at every point of the season and not at least bringing in a Plan B. He is an absolute moron, just completely devoid of brain cells.
Sheikyerbouti
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I've still got time for him. I think his assessment of the team is actually worse than HFboards lol. If you look at his deadline trades, he was already thinking about next year. The mistake was not cutting bait early and getting Blackwood, there was no solution at the deadline.
Bowman definitely gets the bigger picture like Holland did, in terms of on-ice elements imo. Every acquisition made us harder to play against, even Kapp. Every player he has traded for plays the right way and can skate. He also added value, statistically Emberson and especially Podz have provided very high defensive value at a minimal cost to acquire.
Bryanbryoil
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The Nurse and Campbell contracts as well as his handling of Broberg and Holloway really paid off for us!
KeithIsActuallyBad
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No they really don’t need to apologize to Ken Holland. Do you see any of his draft picks currently playing for the team?
Holland made 2 good moves, Ekholm and the Hyman deal.
Kane was a dumb deal. We didnt need Kane, we needed a 2nd pair right D.
Holland directly led to the Broberg Holloway disaster. No thanks on apologizing to Holland.
Him, Chiarelli and Bowman are all cut from the same cloth. Jeff Jackson is a shinier newer version of Bob Nicholson without the burger named after him. The entire front office needs a pressure washing and steam cleaning.
If/when the team is knocked out in the next few days, our gormless media really needs to hold Bowman to account for his handling of the goalie file. The questions don't even need to be lowballs or personal attacks, just throwing his own words back at him:
-You said after the deadline that proprietary stats showed Skinner was better than we were giving him credit for. What were those stats? Who came up with them? Will you still be keeping the person who derived them employed?
-You also said at the deadline that you were happy with Skinner. What were you happy with at that time? Are you happy now?
-Lastly, you said bringing in another goalie would have had a negative impact on the players that are already here. Who would have been negatively impacted? Are those players still going to be here next season? Either way, why did you let the feelings of those players drive your decision-making, rather than the greater good of the team?
I guarantee none of our reporters will have the gonads to ask him any of that though. Their cushy press passes are too important.
-You said after the deadline that proprietary stats showed Skinner was better than we were giving him credit for. What were those stats? Who came up with them? Will you still be keeping the person who derived them employed?
-You also said at the deadline that you were happy with Skinner. What were you happy with at that time? Are you happy now?
-Lastly, you said bringing in another goalie would have had a negative impact on the players that are already here. Who would have been negatively impacted? Are those players still going to be here next season? Either way, why did you let the feelings of those players drive your decision-making, rather than the greater good of the team?
I guarantee none of our reporters will have the gonads to ask him any of that though. Their cushy press passes are too important.
MessierThanThou
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KeithIsActuallyBad
Fire Dustin Schwartz
People really should direct their anger towards him and Jackson. Not a single tangible improvement in the roster all year. Oh but Walman!! Yeah he sure didn’t look great in game 1, huh.
McJadeddog
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Yup, this is the most egregious mistake, and one that literally EVERYBODY was talking about. This wasn't some unknown issue, it was widely discussed. There is no excuse. Bowman saw how bad the tending was and decided that he wasn't going to make a move. Inexcusable. He needs to go, full stop.
No- Holland was a shit GM too. Just because Bowman has been horrible, it doesnt mean Holland was good. This team still hasn't figured out how to interview and hire competent management
CantHaveTkachev
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McFlash97
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It would be a dream come true if any of our soft liberal media would grow a fn pair and straight up as Bowman this at a presser.
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alphahelix
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Anybody interested in the immortal Lou Lamoriello?
I'd bring him in today as co-CEO or executivr advisor or some shit and then figure out from there if he should be running everything or if he is too far over the hill. At least get an experienced hockey voice in at the top level that knows whats going on in the current league.
I'd bring him in today as co-CEO or executivr advisor or some shit and then figure out from there if he should be running everything or if he is too far over the hill. At least get an experienced hockey voice in at the top level that knows whats going on in the current league.
russ99
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Seeing how we couldn't call up anyone late in the season, other than on an emergency basis, due to LTIR and how tight we were to the cap, let's be honest, there was no way to add an impactful goalie at the deadline.
I'd like to see Bowman get a full offseason to see his impact on fixing the roster mess Jackson gave him.
I'd like to see Bowman get a full offseason to see his impact on fixing the roster mess Jackson gave him.
russ99
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if you want someone to point the finger at, look at Katz. he's had a brutal track record in hiring executives to run the Oilers.
To wit, was there even an interview process when we hired Jackson and Bowman?
Oh for sure, I cant figure out for the life of me how he made his bazillions when he lets gross incompetence continue unchecked with the worlds 2 best players in his stable. I get he has the best of intentions but thats what the road to hell is paved with.
McFlash97
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Holland looks like Al Arbour in front of these 2 clowns in management right now , actively running the organization into the ground. They ran out of castoffs to sign in the NHL , so Bowman hit up Europe. Guy has no intention to actually significantly upgrade this roster. Hes just trying to buy time in case one of his bums he signs pops off. Its a hope shot in McDrais prime years.
The incompetence is next level here.
BlackDogg
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I've wondered this exact thing. How can a bozo like this make billions in the pharma world. It doesn't make sense, he doesn't seem to have any gages of anything.
KeithIsActuallyBad
Fire Dustin Schwartz
Having billions of dollars doesn’t buy you a single brain cell. Katz operated the team as a money maker and a means of hanging out with his heroes.
It's sadly very simple IMO: Katz lacks the ability to judge what an executive in the hockey world has actually accomplished versus what their subordinates have contributed. In the pharma/business world, he has the benefit of market performance along with a litany of public metrics like CAGR, COGS, and inventory turns to evaluate if someone is a good businessperson. I'm sure he is great at drilling down into the details when interviewing a CFO or COO because he knows that world so well.
However, hockey has no such golden KPI outside of the Stanley Cup, and the infrastructure needed to win one is often put together over a much longer period of time than a traditional business. A great scout can unearth a draft class full of great players, but it will often be 5-7 years before that is known. By then, that scout may have moved on or retired, and the GM in charge at the time will reap all the rewards and thus praise. The same goes for a great coaching hire, who can pre-date the management team that hired them.
It is no coincidence all three GMs who snowed Katz in the McDrai era were/are smooth talkers who came armed with a bunch of cool stories and at least one championship each. However, that has nothing to do with their record in terms of trades, scouting, coaching staff hires, and so on. To evaluate those things, you need to look at the complete picture, and discern who was in what role when and how they helped shape the team as it was when it actually began contending.
That is of course not something a pharma turned real estate tycoon would instinctively know how to do, and to be fair I think Katz did try to install "hockey people" who could help make those determinations for him. However, he let Kevin Lowe talk him into hiring a Hockey Canada lifer with zero professional success as his North Star. As it turned out, Nicholson had no idea what criteria to use either, so he relied on the same shallow analysis. This is how we ended up with Chiarelli.
When that failed, Nicholson (and Lowe) just went back to the Hockey Canada well, and hired Holland. Again, no real critical analysis was done, and we overlooked both McCrimmon and Zito x2 in favour of the more "accomplished" person. We've seen how that worked out, and in a fit of desperation, Katz turned to his franchise player's agent- someone whose job it is to literally convince others of their or their clients' greatness regardless of the facts- who himself had less than four years of front office experience.
We are now seemingly back at Square -1 with a GM who reaped the rewards of a prior hockey operations staff and then-fresh cap world to construct a consistent Cup winner, but had little experience building the pieces needed to get there. Our scouting staff remains pitifully small, our analytics personnel are either not trusted to do their jobs or are just not very good, and all key decisions seem to involve low-effort solutions that do not address the cause of the problem.
There is no easy fix for this. At best we can hope Bowman and Jackson prioritize a goalie this summer, figure out what error(s) in logic led them to striking out so badly in FA, and determine whether the coaching staff needs a tweak or another full-on purge. But there is no guarantee any of that happens, and until then, Katz will continue to build a very unflattering legacy that will swallow any success he had before.
Ritchie Valens
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A first round exit should spell the end of Jackson, Bowman & Schwartz.
So many blunders in such a short period of time but the biggest one of all is thinking this goaltending tandem would win a cup, when Skinner was getting lit up most of the season. If McDavid wants to win then he HAS to tell Katz, not Jackson or Bowman “if you want me here long term, then get me a f***ing goalie” and I’d make them sweat a bit by saying publicly I’m not looking at extension offers right now.
So many blunders in such a short period of time but the biggest one of all is thinking this goaltending tandem would win a cup, when Skinner was getting lit up most of the season. If McDavid wants to win then he HAS to tell Katz, not Jackson or Bowman “if you want me here long term, then get me a f***ing goalie” and I’d make them sweat a bit by saying publicly I’m not looking at extension offers right now.
BlackDogg
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I quit watching at 3 or 4-zip and was thinking the best thing would be a blow out at that point. Now they will somehow twist it in their little heads that their offense is capable of overcoming a slight issue in net (dollar for dollar).
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