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2008 was the last time top ten picks were traded after the draft order was finalized that didn't have player compensation involved. Toronto (#7 to #5), Nashville (#9 to #7), & New York (#5 to #9) swapped picks in a three team trade.

Ottawa traded what would end up being the #10 in the 2014 in the Bobby Ryan trade. The trade was made the offseason before though. Ottawa traded the pick outright with no conditions.
 
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Another too long off-season.

I still can't believe we lucked out and get one of Nolan/Hischier. But do we ever deserve it (Patrick Kane says hello).

Just wondering what u would do if Vancouver calls you on draft day and offers you two proposals.

1. 2nd overall pick for the 5th overall pick and Brock Boeser

or

2. 2nd overall pick for the 5th overall pick, Dmitry Zhukenov and a 3rd rounder.

The 5th OP would still guarantee us to choose from one of Vilardi, Mittelstaedt or Glass.

I am bored and just curious how you value the difference betwenn them and the top two centers.
 
Another too long off-season.

I still can't believe we lucked out and get one of Nolan/Hischier. But do we ever deserve it (Patrick Kane says hello).

Just wondering what u would do if Vancouver calls you on draft day and offers you two proposals.

1. 2nd overall pick for the 5th overall pick and Brock Boeser

or

2. 2nd overall pick for the 5th overall pick, Dmitry Zhukenov and a 3rd rounder.

The 5th OP would still guarantee us to choose from one of Vilardi, Mittelstaedt or Glass.

I am bored and just curious how you value the difference betwenn them and the top two centers.

Really depends on the drop off between #2 and #5. The Boesser deal is certainly intriguing.
 


2008 was the last time top ten picks were traded after the draft order was finalized that didn't have player compensation involved. Toronto (#7 to #5), Nashville (#9 to #7), & New York (#5 to #9) swapped picks in a three team trade.

Ottawa traded what would end up being the #10 in the 2014 in the Bobby Ryan trade. The trade was made the offseason before though. Ottawa traded the pick outright with no conditions.


That's really interesting.
 
Really depends on the drop off between #2 and #5. The Boesser deal is certainly intriguing.

Problem is it makes no sense for Vancouver. Mittlestadt or Vilardi and Boeser is better than Patrick, no?

If the Flyers' scouts have one of those guys rate higher than Patrick, they might do it, same as they looked at who was available last year and gambled on moving back 4 slots to get Rubtsov.

Still, I don't think they'll get an offer that good.
 
Problem is it makes no sense for Vancouver. Mittlestadt or Vilardi and Boeser is better than Patrick, no?

If the Flyers' scouts have one of those guys rate higher than Patrick, they might do it, same as they looked at who was available last year and gambled on moving back 4 slots to get Rubtsov.

Still, I don't think they'll get an offer that good.

I agree. No reason for Vancouver, who are desperate for quality prospects, to make a 2-for-1.
 
I wonder how high the Flyers can move up in the 2nd by packaging the 43rd pick with the 75th.

I'd prefer to keep the 80th so we can always say - this is the guy we took with the pick from trading Rinaldo.
 
How would people feel if the draft fell like this? I think I know the answer on the 1st 2 picks....asking more about the 3rd rounders.

Hischier
Lind
Barrett
Anokhovsky

http://www.thedraftanalyst.com/nhl-...ock-draft-3rd-round-picks-63-93-may/#tab-id-3

Lind is an underwhelming pick imo. Robertson and Max Gildon are two guys I have interest in that go right after Lind.

Magua, I have to ask you about Gildon. The USNTDP people say he really found himself in the 2nd half of the year. All I know is when I saw him at the U-18 he looked like a baby John Klingberg(?). Any thoughts?
 
I have to ask you about Gildon. The USNTDP people say he really found himself in the 2nd half of the year. All I know is when I saw him at the U-18 he looked like a baby John Klingberg(?). Any thoughts?

I know what you know.......watching him every game at the u18s, some more closely than others. I did actually go back last week and re-watch most of the gold medal game (and bronze) just to nitpick some guys a bit more who I don't have other viewings on, Gildon included, and to refresh myself.

I think you may be somewhat higher on Gildon than me. Maybe could be an interesting 3rd if he's there (will he?), but I'm not sure I'd be wanting him at our 2nd. I've been trying to fine tune my top 62 list -- tangent: was going to post my current top 31 a few weeks ago, but then **** hit the fan in here with the lottery......give me another couple days and I'll give my current top 2 rounds list, subject to change a bit in the next month -- anyway, I've been fine tuning my list, and I've been really going back and forth on putting Gildon in there towards the end.

I like the tools too, especially on stretch passes and in the o-zone and that shot, but like some of the scouting reports say, I'm not sure his defensive acumen is all that high. His usage during the tournament definitely felt like more of a 3rd pair/offensive role. As for the Klingberg style comp, I think Klingberg is waaaay smoother as a skater and primary puck mover. I think Gildon plays a heavier, more stationary offensive game. I think Gildon moves fine, but more on the average side. Not something I'd call a strength really. But he's definitely a guy you could point to with untapped potential.
 
Lind is an underwhelming pick imo. Robertson and Max Gildon are two guys I have interest in that go right after Lind

As an addendum, the one defenseman I would gladly take with our 2nd rounder, if we did take one, is Josh Brook. BPA and fit. I'm high on him; higher than most everyone, I think. That mock had him at the end of the 3rd, which seemed beyond absurd. On this player, Grant McCagg and I are on the same page: he's a 1st round talent. He has no holes in his game, nothing where he is not (well) above average. I think some people might be sleeping on him because he's so well-rounded and mature 2-way and maybe doesn't have that "dynamic" trait, although I think his skating and passing are the standout traits, along with his high IQ. Just looks the part of a future top 4 NHL d-man.

He's 6'2, has tools, is physical and will only bulk up more. He's a RHD, plays a really intelligent aggressive puck possession style with tight gaps and pinches and very crisp passes short and long. So calm and efficient, zero panic, in both ends on/off puck. He is excellent at stopping play in his own end and transitioning play, either with a great pass or using his great wheels. Summer birthday, has bantam draft pedigree, and just impresses me every game. He's already used as Moose Jaw's #1. Compliments our pool well too because I don't think he will need PP time to be successful. He's a heck of a 2-way ES/PK player. I'm convinced he's one of those guys that people will wonder why he didn't go earlier. I think he's the 4th/5th best d-man in this class, and I'm willing to look stupid saying it.
 
Gildon obviously stood out to me on the PP more than anything else. I really don't recall much about him defensively good or bad. Other than he certainly didn't seem to be relied on heavily in defensive situations. I was obviously more intrigued by his size, and smoothness offensively than anything else.

Looking forward to seeing that list.
 
How would people feel if the draft fell like this? I think I know the answer on the 1st 2 picks....asking more about the 3rd rounders.

Hischier
Lind
Barrett
Anokhovsky

http://www.thedraftanalyst.com/nhl-...ock-draft-3rd-round-picks-63-93-may/#tab-id-3

Our 1st pick is a no-brainer our 2nd could be Lind or Isaac Ratcliffe LW and our two 3rds could be Josh Brook RHD and Mackenzie Entwistle W/C
Note: these selections are based on the draftanalyst's rankings.

Based on the HNDB rankings It goes
1. Nico
2. Dylan Samberg D
3. Stuart Skinner G
3 M. Entwistle W/C

It looks like after the first few they are all over the place. Ron's staff really have their work coming. I will be slightly surprised if they sit from 2 to 44. I have a feeling they move up to grab someone they really want. No facts just a hunch.
 
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Looking forward to seeing that list.

I am dying to see it too, and I'm hoping he and you and others will give us the guys you hope we pick at our various spots. We only have five weeks to go, so chop chop.

:naughty:

In doing that mock draft, I have been reading about more of these guys in the third- and fourth-round areas and there are very few that I read about and don't leave shaking my head - I don't know what to think, because all the scouting reports have these pretty serious red flags (compete level, skating, shot, etc.) That's par for the course, obviously, in these rounds of a draft, but I am finding it hard to get too amped about too many guys. Some ones I'm interested in for various reasons (some of the reasons being very stupid): Morgan Frost, Isaac Ratcliffe, JAD, Lukas Elvenes, Mackenzie Entwistle, D'Artagnan Joly, and all the goalies. (Plus a few more I am not going to mention because of the mock draft.) And now Magua has made me interested in Josh Brook.
 
As an addendum, the one defenseman I would gladly take with our 2nd rounder, if we did take one, is Josh Brook. BPA and fit. I'm high on him; higher than most everyone, I think. That mock had him at the end of the 3rd, which seemed beyond absurd. On this player, Grant McCagg and I are on the same page: he's a 1st round talent. He has no holes in his game, nothing where he is not (well) above average. I think some people might be sleeping on him because he's so well-rounded and mature 2-way and maybe doesn't have that "dynamic" trait, although I think his skating and passing are the standout traits, along with his high IQ. Just looks the part of a future top 4 NHL d-man.

He's 6'2, has tools, is physical and will only bulk up more. He's a RHD, plays a really intelligent aggressive puck possession style with tight gaps and pinches and very crisp passes short and long. So calm and efficient, zero panic, in both ends on/off puck. He is excellent at stopping play in his own end and transitioning play, either with a great pass or using his great wheels. Summer birthday, has bantam draft pedigree, and just impresses me every game. He's already used as Moose Jaw's #1. Compliments our pool well too because I don't think he will need PP time to be successful. He's a heck of a 2-way ES/PK player. I'm convinced he's one of those guys that people will wonder why he didn't go earlier. I think he's the 4th/5th best d-man in this class, and I'm willing to look stupid saying it.

That's funny you mentioned Josh Brook. The link I posted for Draft Site, in their mock, that's exactly who they have the Flyers selecting in the second round.
 
Who are they?

Of players who could be available based on our mock & the draft analyst one, these are whom I like:

2nd: Morand, Robertson, Boqvist, Mismash, Chytil, Salo

3rd: Texier, Hugg

4th: Fortier, Henry, Smirnov
 
If Hexy does grab another Goalie to add to the stable, what does everybody think about Keith Primeau's son... if he is available at the 'right' spot when we are on the clock? ...Will he be Drafted too high for us, considering what we already presently have in the System?
 
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