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Leafsfan74

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Trump can put all the tariffs he wants on Canada, at the end of the day Canada can shut off the oil and electricty and really put the screws on Washington if it wanted to.

Obviously it won’t and I’m pretty sure both countries will settle their issues like they always have.

What has really surprised me are all these “Canada First” and Canadian so-called Nationalists who are actually supporting a FOREIGN COUNTRY trying to wage an economic war on Canada.

This is how confused and warped the minds of these trucker boys are. They’ve been sitting in their trucks breathing in all those petrol fumes, it’s finally damaged their brains.

If you claim to be a Canadian nationalist, then you should be opposing Trump’s tariffs.

This is why I’ve always maintained that the Truck Convoy and all this “Canada First” nonsense online has been funded from abroad (namely the United States) to push their own agenda in Canada under the guise of “Canadian nationalism”.

Canada needs to seriously think about distancing itself from the United States. We are way too over reliant on this country, and one day it’s gonna bite us real bad.

At this point, Canada literally behaves like the 51st state. Our entire foreign policy has in the hands of Washington. Canada needs to reclaim its sovereignty and behave like the country it used to back in the day….where it acted as a mediator and peacekeeper.

There is no reason why Canada has to be hostile to China or Russia….the only reason we are is because Washington forces Canada to do so.
The problem was that we tried to distance ourselves from the U.S, our methods Ill-advised in my opinion. Not that we should not have global trade, it is critical to Canadas success, but we needed to be honest about the natural economic shift that would occur when we had a dumbed down system of "off-shore, import make money via currency arbitrage", with an unreliable partner at that. Britain tried the same and they are nothing but a service economy now that is in real trouble suffering from the same innovation deficit that we do. Centralized systems are known for this outcome.

We became very close to China, to such a degree that in the 2000s when I was in my MBA, one prof after another was driving the idea that China and China alone was the future. All corporations must look to China, all trade must be with China, no other nation mattered, even our own. We read books glorifying the Chinese economy, etc. This was going to be where Canada was going to become wealthy (at least some corporations and CEOs). It was always going to be tenuous barring a massive political shift in China, which they seemed to pursue for a short duration. As history has shown in that region, with Mother Russia still very influential; this was but a fleeting moment in time.

If you questioned this precarious future for Canada taking this reliance on China you'd be an outlier and I can tell you that reading about how much Chinas economy was expanding and eating up Western industries was very concerning to me at the time. I expressed it only in hushed whispers among classmates because to say it out loud you might be considered anti-capitalist, something I definitely am not.

There is some real irony in that statement of course considering the system I was whispering about. I was always a free market promoter but that was taking into account trade with the E.U, the U.S, Japan etc. This was an entirely new ballgame, one a small country like Canada would lose if we lost our position in the world through this pursuit. We even had the promotion of a Free Trade with China at one juncture which in my opinion would have been quite damaging to our national interests, but I digress.

Well, it turns out, China doesn't like to consume foreign made products as much as our American neighbours do (not that we innovate to the level we should, much to my dismay as I have been critical of this for years) nor do they like to invest in jobs in Canada as the U.S does or, conveniently located.

When NAFTA was signed, we were sitting beside the greatest consumer economy on earth, the Cold War was won and instead of Canada pushing for stronger ties with the U.S and emulating, say, their system of civil liberties, manufacturing and innovation, government accountability and local politicians answering questions of constituents as they do religiously in the U.S, we believed we could remain the same Old Country system in a global economy.

We happily and erroneously got on board with many post-Cold War U.S economists who force fed the concept of embracing China as a normalized trading partner, entry into the W.T.O (the single biggest decision that turned the global economic ties of the West). There was little longitudinal assessment of what this would mean for Canadas position and relationship with America.

In my opinion, Canada should have at that time been pushing hard for the U.S to strengthen the NAFTA as a global trading bloc and making ourselves more indispensable as say, Taiwan did, or similar to the way that the E.U has. That's near impossible now for a number of reasons. Canadian "experts" were anything but experts.

How Canada is able to maintain its standard of living for its citizens when our spending, especially locally; does not meet the needs of its citizens and the economic potential of its talents is beyond my pay grade. I have plenty of ideas but I am just one man.
 
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rumman

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You say that but most likely...

Welcome the 51st State, Canada to the Union as well as the 52nd State, Mexico
Anyone remember learning about Manifest Destiny in school? If the Liberals continue to destroy Canada it’s not the worst option, of course Trudeau can’t gave anything to do with said hypothetical merger………

Trump can put all the tariffs he wants on Canada, at the end of the day Canada can shut off the oil and electricty and really put the screws on Washington if it wanted to.

Obviously it won’t and I’m pretty sure both countries will settle their issues like they always have.

What has really surprised me are all these “Canada First” and Canadian so-called Nationalists who are actually supporting a FOREIGN COUNTRY trying to wage an economic war on Canada.

This is how confused and warped the minds of these trucker boys are. They’ve been sitting in their trucks breathing in all those petrol fumes, it’s finally damaged their brains.

If you claim to be a Canadian nationalist, then you should be opposing Trump’s tariffs.

This is why I’ve always maintained that the Truck Convoy and all this “Canada First” nonsense online has been funded from abroad (namely the United States) to push their own agenda in Canada under the guise of “Canadian nationalism”.

Canada needs to seriously think about distancing itself from the United States. We are way too over reliant on this country, and one day it’s gonna bite us real bad.

At this point, Canada literally behaves like the 51st state. Our entire foreign policy has in the hands of Washington. Canada needs to reclaim its sovereignty and behave like the country it used to back in the day….where it acted as a mediator and peacekeeper.

There is no reason why Canada has to be hostile to China or Russia….the only reason we are is because Washington forces Canada to do so.
I’m sure Trump and America in general are trembling at the thought of what Canada can to to the most powerful nation on the planet…..
 

Leafsfan74

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Anyone remember learning about Manifest Destiny in school? If the Liberals continue to destroy Canada it’s not the worst option, of course Trudeau can’t gave anything to do with said hypothetical merger………


I’m sure Trump and America in general are trembling at the thought of what Canada can to to the most powerful nation on the planet…..

If you think this is just one political parties decision making or one person you are sadly mistaken.

Both liberals under Trudeau and the prior lead Conservatives under Harper share blame for Canadas lack of vision and appreciation for the world. Both, like the rest of world leaders from Europe to America were more than happy to welcome Chinese investment while not demanding reciprocal assess which China always denied. Any assess that was granted came with the cost of IP sharing etc. This did the most damage to California I'm sure since they were so far ahead of the technology curve with their decades of Silicon Valley success.

Worse in all of this is our lack of ingenuity and loss of the best and brightest to other nations. , When you overfund certain government agencies and show disdain for R&D and entrepreneurial instincts, often through the very agencies that are overly funded; you are bound to fail and be in decline. This goes for Toronto, Ontario or Canada in general. Canadians make on average $22k LESS a year than Americans while paying more in overall expenses and with less savings outside of property values. Not one of these jurisdictions has been even close to the same capitalist spirit and freedom that Americans enjoy.

I can tell you that of the five brightest people I've ever known be it in high school or university, are all in other nations except for one. When I was first in the work force post-university I was almost convinced to move to China and apply myself there. Had an aggressive recruiter from California who wined and dined me while trying to grab my services. I can only imagine how others are pursued aggressively and we are aware of how much of our talent heads south or to Japan and elsewhere

just the facts, we are in real economic trouble. We don't produce massive corporations that are accustomed to competing and surviving. We shelter and regulate at all levels, while certain agencies are grossly overfunded. Go look at where municipal property tax resources are going and you may understand
 
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If you think this is just one political parties decision making or one person you are sadly mistaken.

Both liberals under Trudeau and the prior lead Conservatives under Harper share blame for Canadas lack of vision and appreciation for the world. Both, like the rest of world leaders from Europe to America were more than happy to welcome Chinese investment while not demanding reciprocal assess which China always denied. Any assess that was granted came with the cost of IP sharing etc. This did the most damage to California I'm sure since they were so far ahead of the technology curve with their decades of Silicon Valley success.

Worse in all of this is our lack of ingenuity and loss of the best and brightest to other nations. , When you overfund certain government agencies and show disdain for R&D and entrepreneurial instincts, often through the very agencies that are overly funded; you are bound to fail and be in decline. This goes for Toronto, Ontario or Canada in general. Canadians make on average $22k LESS a year than Americans while paying more in overall expenses and with less savings outside of property values. Not one of these jurisdictions has been even close to the same capitalist spirit and freedom that Americans enjoy.

I can tell you that of the five brightest people I've ever known be it in high school or university, are all in other nations except for one. When I was first in the work force post-university I was almost convinced to move to China and apply myself there. Had an aggressive recruiter from California who wined and dined me while trying to grab my services. I can only imagine how others are pursued aggressively and we are aware of how much of our talent heads south or to Japan and elsewhere

just the facts, we are in real economic trouble. We don't produce massive corporations that are accustomed to competing and surviving. We shelter and regulate at all levels, while certain agencies are grossly overfunded. Go look at where municipal property tax resources are going and you may understand

Well said. On point.

Same story regarding the best and brightest I know. All left Canada. The brain drain is real.
 
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Time to get this thread back on track..

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