Proposal: Off Season Trade Thread vol. III

[YouGotAStuGoing]

What difference does it make? If he came out and said he wanted a trade you would be complaining how the captain of the team is bailing so soon. He said he'd be open to a trade, it seems the team is open to trading him. Perfect

Not true. If a player wants out I'll never blame him. In many cases it works out for the best for all parties, too, and Spezza leaving (while not optimal) sets us up to get more solid pieces down the road.

I have no issue with Spezza making what he feels is the best move for his career. I have an issue with the way he's (allegedly) going about it.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

If Spezza doesn't re-sign He will go to Toronto when he becomes a UFA.

Not if he wants to win.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

That's true, but still, I don't think he was ever appreciated here as an elite player. There has always been more negativity around him despite what he's done for the franchise. People always looked at the negatives than the positives. I'm not saying that's a reason for a player to ask to be traded, but if he does, I'm okay with it.

I'm just worried that the trade is going to suck for us. His value will be apparent when he's putting up PPG on the other team and he has wingers that can actually do something.

Yes, if he gets traded, the odds of Ottawa getting full value are pretty small, especially when the league knows he's being shopped and it's Murray doing the trading.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I see it as he would like to move on because ownership is not committed to win.

If he believed in this team he'd want to stay

Of course you'd take it that way. But it's being said that his issue was with Maclean, not Melnyk.

 

[Qward]

I choose MacLean over Spezza.

 

[benjiv1]

I hope Spezza is willing to sign an extension with the move... That would help the value tremendously

Ultimately, I believe this would probably be the case.

Why would he want to uproot his family 2 in a year? Especially when he has 0 idea if option B is going to be any better than option A.

And like you said, an extension in place = better return.

 

[Tragedy]

I choose MacLean over Spezza.

I'm with you there

 

[BondraTime]

Not true. If a player wants out I'll never blame him. In many cases it works out for the best for all parties, too, and Spezza leaving (while not optimal) sets us up to get more solid pieces down the road.

I have no issue with Spezza making what he feels is the best move for his career. I have an issue with the way he's (allegedly) going about it.

I don't understand. What's the difference in Spezza saying he is open to moving on, and Spezza saying trade me now, especially when it has already been known that Ottawa are open to moving him?

 

[bigray19]

This really hurts man, I'm a huge Spezza fan.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Does it make sense, from Spezza's point of view, to do a sign and trade though? The team he'd go to would lose more assets (and thus possibly be weaker) and he has no idea if he'll like playing in this new city.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I don't understand. What's the difference in Spezza saying he is open to moving on, and Spezza saying trade me now, especially when it has already been known that Ottawa are open to moving him?

It's the same difference as me going to my boss' office and saying "I want a raise" vs. "I guess you can pay me more if you want." Same desired outcome, but one way is upfront and the other just tiptoes around the issue. If your decision is going to affect at least 22 other people, you need to have the gumption to stand behind your words.

 

[Benjamin]

Its a real possibility that Melnyks lack of commitment is why Spezza wants out. If Melnyk wont commit, why would Spezza want to? He's only got so much time left to win a cup and its not happening here. We already lost Alfie because of this.

We'll probably never know. So no one can say for sure.

 

[Fandlauer]

Spezza has chronic back problems and is going to be looking for a long term deal. I'm happy to hear Murray is doing the right thing and shopping him. Wish Spezza the best, he seems like a classy guy but unfortunately his time is up here.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Its a real possibility that Melnyks lack of commitment is why Spezza wants out. If Melnyk wont commit, why would Spezza want to? We already lost Alfie because of this.

We'll probably never know. So no one can say for sure.

A few media guys said it was Maclean, not Melnyk, that Spezza had a problem with.

Please, there's enough to go on as is without inventing stuff to spin a narrative.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Its a real possibility that Melnyks lack of commitment is why Spezza wants out. If Melnyk wont commit, why would Spezza want to? We already lost Alfie because of this.

We'll probably never know. So no one can say for sure.

It's possible. It's also possible that his wife slept with Murray. We'll probably never know the real reasons. When asked about it he'll drop all the usual cliches

 

[Six Assets]

BMurray has a tough tough job

Unlike Alfie's departure, this will not be as shocking and sudden

 

[The Fuhr*]

And if the team is going to deal Spezza why not move the other UFAs and tank for McDavid

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Who else is feeling a long period of mediocrity oncoming?

We'll miss the playoffs narrowly but won't be able to keep up with the suckage in Edmonton and Buffalo. Flames syndrome. One step forward two steps back almost every year.

 

[Benjamin]

A few media guys said it was Maclean, not Melnyk, that Spezza had a problem with.

Please, there's enough to go on as is without inventing stuff to spin a narrative.

Meh. Heatley's reason changed monthly. Alfie's reason was only partially true with lots of stuff hidden.

 

[The Fuhr*]

Who else is feeling a long period of mediocrity oncoming?

We'll miss the playoffs narrowly but won't be able to keep up with the suckage in Edmonton and Buffalo. Flames syndrome. One step forward two steps back almost every year.

Just more of the same since 2007... I just wait till the next GM arrives, hopefully one that has a vision and builds a team around that

 

[BondraTime]

It's the same difference as me going to my boss' office and saying "I want a raise" vs. "I guess you can pay me more if you want." Same desired outcome, but one way is upfront and the other just tiptoes around the issue. If your decision is going to affect at least 22 other people, you need to have the gumption to stand behind your words.

Except in this case it isn't someone storming in and asking for something out of the blue. They already know Spezza wants to be traded, he asked to be dealt earlier in the season, but he wasn't. Spezza knows that they are looking at the possibility of dealing him, and he is reassuring them that the move would be looked at positively by Spezza. Win-Win (if you can call it that)

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Just more of the same since 2007... I just wait till the next GM arrives, hopefully one that has a vision and builds a team around that

That didn't take long!

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Who else is feeling a long period of mediocrity oncoming?

We'll miss the playoffs narrowly but won't be able to keep up with the suckage in Edmonton and Buffalo. Flames syndrome. One step forward two steps back almost every year.

Nope, not exactly. Younger players will develop and hopefully we'll get something valuable in return for Spezza. Am I the only one that doesn't think dealing him will set us back that far?

The biggest issue will still be Melnyk's budget (yes I know I sound like a broken record). The team's direction isn't clear when we trade a bunch of young assets for a winger like Ryan, but can't spend to make the team better. Are we planning to contend?

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Except in this case it isn't someone storming in and asking for something out of the blue. They already know Spezza wants to be traded, he asked to be dealt earlier in the season, but he wasn't. Spezza knows that they are looking at the possibility of dealing him, and he is reassuring them that the move would be looked at positively by Spezza. Win-Win (if you can call it that)

IN a way it's better then demanding a trade I think. That way Murray isn't forced into making a trade he doesn't like ala heatley

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Just more of the same since 2007... I just wait till the next GM arrives, hopefully one that has a vision and builds a team around that

If only we had a manager who could draft and develop talent.