Off Season Thread 2025

[ShagDaddy]

Brilliant.

 

[Armourboy]

Sad part is we can't even put all of that on Trotz. Tolvanen and Olivier were before Trotz was even here.

 

[herzausstein]

Brilliant.

Trenin now makes 3.5 million and had 7G 8A 15P.

It took two full seasons in Columbus to for Olivier to get into double digital goals. He had 5 in the two previous seasons.

Tolvanen and Sherwood are really the only mistakes. Tolvaven was an obvious NHL player on a cheap ass contract. Sherwood may of seemed replaceable but we gave smith and McCarron contract extensions so why not him.

Either way none of them have the seasons they did in Nashville. Except trenin.... his offensive numbers suck and he is overpaid. Seems right up our alley.

 

[Armourboy]

Trenin now makes 3.5 million and had 7G 8A 15P.

It took two full seasons in Columbus to for Olivier to get into double digital goals. He had 5 in the two previous seasons.

Tolvanen and Sherwood are really the only mistakes. Tolvaven was an obvious NHL player on a cheap ass contract. Sherwood may of seemed replaceable but we gave smith and McCarron contract extensions so why not him.

Either way none of them have the seasons they did in Nashville. Except trenin.... his offensive numbers suck and he is overpaid. Seems right up our alley.

Tolvanen atm is the only one that bothers me. Sherwood may get up there if he can reproduce this season. That said I would have kept him rather than Smith.

Trenin is definitely overpaid and Olivier hadn't done anything to make you want to give him more than another year anyways and at the end of that you would have been in the same spot making the same decision.

 

[PredsV82]

Tolvanen was stupid Poile just like Fabbro was stupid Trotz. No defending either of those moves, even if you could make the case that we would have moved on from Tolvanen eventually.

Nobody saw Olivier becoming a decent scorer. And Sherwood may or may not be a flash in the pan(Jankowski too for that matter)

Trenin is a lot like Carrier, decent but probably not worth his cap hit and his spot is better filled with L'Heureux anyway.

So of the 4 listed, one stupid move and two "well that's hockey" kind like when Peverley unexpectedly blossomed and one (Trenin) that I'm actually glad we made and got a 3rd for.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

At least Poile admitted to the mistake. People make them, it's to be expected, and an unfortunate but effective way to learn

But, acting like you can do no wrong and Fabbro wasn't a complete f*** up is not how one learns.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

We don't suck because we lost Tolvanen, Jankowski, Carrier, Sherwood, or Trenin, that's for sure. (Or Jeannot, or anybody else we lost who is actually semi-sucking elsewhere). There is a little bit of a death-by-1000-cuts effect I guess. But we did backfill most of those guys adequately. At least from a pure performance-on-ice perspective. The only problem is we backfilled them with older and more expensive guys. And therefore still neither upgraded the upper end/elite-talent of our roster, nor developed young players into those roles. So it's not like losing those guys per se caused the downfall. They were mild symtpoms. Or could have been. If we had done everything else right. Except we had a complete immune system failure at the top, so that even smaller infections which would otherwise have been harmless became magnified, and we still ultimately died from basic general system failure.

 

[Armourboy]

We don't suck because we lost Tolvanen, Jankowski, Carrier, Sherwood, or Trenin, that's for sure. (Or Jeannot, or anybody else we lost who is actually semi-sucking elsewhere). There is a little bit of a death-by-1000-cuts effect I guess. But we did backfill most of those guys adequately. At least from a pure performance-on-ice perspective. The only problem is we backfilled them with older and more expensive guys. And therefore still neither upgraded the upper end/elite-talent of our roster, nor developed young players into those roles. So it's not like losing those guys per se caused the downfall. They were mild symtpoms. Or could have been. If we had done everything else right. Except we had a complete immune system failure at the top, so that even smaller infections which would otherwise have been harmless became magnified, and we still ultimately died from basic general system failure.

Only one of those that bother me is Tolvanen, because it was just a poor decision that didn't need to be made.

Carrier should have never been re-signed. Jankowski is whatever. Sherwood may look bad in hindsight but I don't blame them for not signing him, except if you were going to keep one I would have kept him over Smith. Trenin is overpaid, but the only reason I didn't like the trade is we basically filled his spot with Beaverboy who was even worse.

They are all generally just examples of poor judgement, just like the Fabbro waiving was. This is a team that Poile set up for a rebuild, Trotz tried to say the heck with that and is basically going to get one forced on him because of poor signings and coaching. Bad judgement all around.

 

[Scoresberg]

I'm already terrified of going into next year with Trotz' current plan. "Stay the course and add a couple of (veteran) pieces through FA". Where's that going to lead us? At best, maybe somewhere around 10th-11th in the conference?

I mean, I just think the guy's completely blind and clueless in front of the situation we're now facing as a franchise. Embrace the mid is apparently his mantra right now.

You either make drastic changes (trade a core player, or core players, change the coach) and try to catapult yourself back into a relevant team a la Washington. OR you head into a rebuild by moving guys like ROR, Marchy/Stammer, Bunting, Sissons, SAROS and just accept your fate that it's going to be a few years.

Hearing Trotz lay out his plan for next year just completely killed any excitement - if there ever was any - for next season.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Trotz hasn't had his end of year press conference yet so I think it is a little early to be making proclamations on what he's thinking. For all we know, he may about face and fire Brunette. Or he may have asked his vets if he brings Brunette back do they want to be back and gotten some candid "that's a no from me dawg" responses that shake up the roster.

Hard to say but I do think you can't go into next season with Marchy on the roster and Brunette as the coach.

 

[herzausstein]

Am I the only one that kind of like Barron and sees some potential in him or am I just way off?

 

[Armourboy]

Am I the only one that kind of like Barron and sees some potential in him or am I just way off?

He definitely got better as the year went on. He's a guy if he worked in the offseason on the defensive side of his game could be a solid guy. He's like a lot of offensive Dmen, needs to learn that's the bonus to his game and can earn him big bucks, but your defensive game keeps you in the league

 

[Olderfan]

Ok, you’re sitting around a room with the ass’t GM’s, coaches, scouts and maybe Haslam. You say “we gotta improve next year; what do we do?” The GM raises his hand and says “Well, first of all we gotta get Englund under contract. Anything else?”.

 

[herzausstein]

Ok, you’re sitting around a room with the ass’t GM’s, coaches, scouts and maybe Haslam. You say “we gotta improve next year; what do we do?” The GM raises his hand and says “Well, first of all we gotta get Englund under contract. Anything else?”.

Perhaps we extend McCarron, Smith, Lauzon, and Sissons at first chance?

 

[jumb0]

Del Gaizo and Svechkov sent to MKE

 

[originalpredfan]

Am I the only one that kind of like Barron and sees some potential in him or am I just way off?

I agree he does show potential, however the real question is if he'll get developed correctly with the current staff.

 

[Kat Predator]

I agree he does show potential, however the real question is if he'll get developed correctly with the current staff.

They may just anoint him "Josi light" if Josi decides it's not worth more brain damage.

 

[herzausstein]

Cant wait to see what teams like Buffalo, Seattle, and Boston do to shake things up. I think they'd make good trading partners

 

[Flgatorguy87]

I've liked Barron since the beginning. I was actually surprised by his play to start, and he got better the further along things went. I think he's got the potential to be really nice piece...but like mentioned above, I would feel more confident if someone else were coaching him.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

I'll put it a different way. Barron's offensive instincts and lack of attention to detail defensively are only enhanced by Brunette's defenseman leading the rush and going to the net preferences.

That doesn't make him look any better.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Marchessault traded at negative/zero value and Brunette retained. That'll fix it.

 

[herzausstein]

Marchessault traded at negative/zero value and Brunette retained. That'll fix it.

I would think Marchy should still have positive value. His point production on an offensively starved team was still in line with his salary. Cap is set to jump over the next couple offseasons as well so his aging should be a non factor as even if his production doesn't go up with a competent coaching and system his caphit isn't bad.

That said, I'd be game to jettison both Marchy and Bruno.

 

[Armourboy]

Marchessault traded at negative/zero value and Brunette retained. That'll fix it.

What are you going to do with Stamkos that said basically the same thing let alone anyone else that may agree with them? Marchessault isn't on an island with is opinion.

 

[glenngineer]

What are you going to do with Stamkos that said basically the same thing let alone anyone else that may agree with them? Marchessault isn't on an island with is opinion.

The other part of this equation is both March and Stamkos have both won whereas AB was let go for his inability to win with a stacked roster and has shat the bed since his arrival here.

 

[herzausstein]

That winning streak we went on last season has unfairly made Bruno look like he may be a competent coach for this team. Maybe he is elsewhere but not with this team