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I want to sign a faceoff specialist. Paul Gaustad... he's younger than Joe Thorton. I don't care if he happens to be 300 pounds and can't skate, if he can win 60% on the faceoffs, that's all I need. 😉
 
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TehDoak said:
Let's consider Bo Horvat

1. He just turned 27. So at the end of the contract, he'd be 34.
2. He can play all situations and play them well.
3. He's takes hard d-zone starts

I mean, if you could pick an ideal player that Buffalo was missing (other than a goalie), it'd be Horvat. He's an ideal complement to the defensively challenged Thompson line. Asplund-Horvat-Cozens/Quinn/Peterka as your 2nd line? I mean....

I certainly get the aging curve argument. You hope he's a 35-40 point center at the end of the deal that can still kill penalties and is a faceoff ace. You hope he doesn't fall off a cliff at the age of 30
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You might want to double check Horvat's usage and defensive stats. He's not the two-way player you're making him out to be.
 
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tsujimoto74 said:
You might want to double check Horvat's usage and defensive stats. He's not the two-way player you're making him out to be.
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From what I've seen Canuck fans saying it sounds like he can be lazy in getting back on defense at times, and isn't really a shutdown 2 way center type.

If the Sabres could pry Cizikas out of Long Island or Sissons out of Nashville those are the guys I'd want. Sadly I'm sure neither are available.
 
tsujimoto74 said:
You might want to double check Horvat's usage and defensive stats. He's not the two-way player you're making him out to be.
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His 5v5 deployments are weighted towards defense. He’s not an elite shutdown center but he certainly can play the PK and be useful on special teams. He’s never gonna be a selke guy but he’s a vast upgrade over any center defensively on our roster.
 
Jim Bob said:
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It won't happen. But, the vibes would be immaculate.
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i thinkSubban is too high.
I consider Dahlin as a RD

it would be
Sam-Dahlin
Power-Letang
Bryson-Joki
Subban

ergeron isn’t signing elsewhere. I just dont see it.

id also want to give more cap breathing room for summer 2023.
 
My unrealistic situation still goes back to that Lundell tweet from a few weeks ago.

Florida has a limited cap window, and if they don't clear cap space they'll lose some combination of giroux, huberdeau, reino, Weegar, over the next couple years.

I wouldn't take the full Bob contract, but I think there's a scenario that makes sense for both teams, but neither would entertain it.
 
jc17 said:
My unrealistic situation still goes back to that Lundell tweet from a few weeks ago.

Florida has a limited cap window, and if they don't clear cap space they'll lose some combination of giroux, huberdeau, reino, Weegar, over the next couple years.

I wouldn't take the full Bob contract, but I think there's a scenario that makes sense for both teams, but neither would entertain it.
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I think you can forget about Lundell, it makes no sense for them to trade him. Also, I'm pretty sure Bob won't just give up NMC for Buffalo. They enjoy living with their wife in Florida. I think Florida will find another way to avoid the cap problem. Hornqvist/Gudas/Montou/Duclair/Bennett.
 
Djp said:
i thinkSubban is too high.
I consider Dahlin as a RD

it would be
Sam-Dahlin
Power-Letang
Bryson-Joki
Subban

ergeron isn’t signing elsewhere. I just dont see it.

id also want to give more cap breathing room for summer 2023.
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Bergeron probably isn't leaving Boston. But, given the coaching firing and the general weirdness in Boston right now, who knows.

And I think planning for Dahlin to play on the left with Letang and having the option of sliding him to the right in the case of injury is the way to go if they can add two vets like Letang and Subban.

TehDoak said:
If you buyout Bjork you get like 1.2M more in cap space
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I'd rather ride it out and not give him a QO.

There would be no reason to create future dead cap.
 
jc17 said:
My unrealistic situation still goes back to that Lundell tweet from a few weeks ago.

Florida has a limited cap window, and if they don't clear cap space they'll lose some combination of giroux, huberdeau, reino, Weegar, over the next couple years.

I wouldn't take the full Bob contract, but I think there's a scenario that makes sense for both teams, but neither would entertain it.
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I don't think Florida thinks about this, but if they did, I'd do it.

If you're going to take a huge contract on, one place it hurts least is goalie.
 
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Scratch him as a possible goalie trade target this off season.
 
Fjordy said:
I think you can forget about Lundell, it makes no sense for them to trade him. Also, I'm pretty sure Bob won't just give up NMC for Buffalo. They enjoy living with their wife in Florida. I think Florida will find another way to avoid the cap problem. Hornqvist/Gudas/Montou/Duclair/Bennett.
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The NMC I agree with, but I think their options are limited with the cap.

-They have 3M in cap space. Giroux gets what, at least 6.5M if it's incredibly team friendly pay cut? Maybe he was a rental, but he's exactly the type of player most people think a team like Florida needs for a longer playoff run
-Marchment was almost a point per game, he gets paid or they lose him. Again, lets be generous and say 4M.
-Then they have a couple of roster holes, which will still cost a couple million if they go bargain hunting with league mins.
-Next year Huberdeau is due a new deal, keeping with the team friendly theme, lets say 8.5M, 2.6M raise.

Either their president's winning trophy roster is about to disintegrate, or they have to make a significant move. They could drop some of Montour, duclair, Bennett, but its not a negligible loss, and they're still tight to the cap in upcoming years.

I think the selling point for Florida is not looking at it as "Lundell for cap space", but Lundell for Giroux, Huberdeau, Marchment, etc, plus whatever we add.

The original tweet I referenced included just Mitts coming from the Sabres, which I don't think is enough. I think for Florida to feel ok about their future parting with Lundell, a young player and pick has to go back.

Again, I don't expect it to ever happen, but I think it's willful ignorance on their part to watch their cap window close with Bob on the roster.
 
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jc17 said:
The NMC I agree with, but I think their options are limited with the cap.

-They have 3M in cap space. Giroux gets what, at least 6.5M if it's incredibly team friendly pay cut? Maybe he was a rental, but he's exactly the type of player most people think a team like Florida needs for a longer playoff run
-Marchment was almost a point per game, he gets paid or they lose him. Again, lets be generous and say 4M.
-Then they have a couple of roster holes, which will still cost a couple million if they go bargain hunting with league mins.
-Next year Huberdeau is due a new deal, keeping with the team friendly theme, lets say 8.5M, 2.6M raise.

Either their president's winning trophy roster is about to disintegrate, or they have to make a significant move. They could drop some of Montour, duclair, Bennett, but its not a negligible loss, and they're still tight to the cap in upcoming years.

I think the selling point for Florida is not looking at it as "Lundell for cap space", but Lundell for Giroux, Huberdeau, Marchment, etc, plus whatever we add.

The original tweet I referenced included just Mitts coming from the Sabres, which I don't think is enough. I think for Florida to feel ok about their future parting with Lundell, a young player and pick has to go back.

Again, I don't expect it to ever happen, but I think it's willful ignorance on their part to watch their cap window close with Bob on the roster.
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For this to work, Florida would need to be heading into a win-now window.

Let's say Florida agrees to Lundell and Bobrovsky (full salary) to the Sabres for Bjork (50% retained). The Sabres can easily absorb this contract for the next 2 seasons, then re-evaluate.

That puts Florida into a position where they've got 15 roster players, and $14M in cap space. They'd start with their top 2 lines set, top 5 defensemen set, and Knight in goal. They could re-sign most of the rest of their RFA and UFA contributors, and maybe convince someone like Bergeron to give them a shot for a season or two (based on what's happening in Boston, and if he wants to still play).

That's a super, super long shot scenario. It's Dr. Strange's "1."
 
jc17 said:
The NMC I agree with, but I think their options are limited with the cap.

-They have 3M in cap space. Giroux gets what, at least 6.5M if it's incredibly team friendly pay cut? Maybe he was a rental, but he's exactly the type of player most people think a team like Florida needs for a longer playoff run
-Marchment was almost a point per game, he gets paid or they lose him. Again, lets be generous and say 4M.
-Then they have a couple of roster holes, which will still cost a couple million if they go bargain hunting with league mins.
-Next year Huberdeau is due a new deal, keeping with the team friendly theme, lets say 8.5M, 2.6M raise.

Either their president's winning trophy roster is about to disintegrate, or they have to make a significant move. They could drop some of Montour, duclair, Bennett, but its not a negligible loss, and they're still tight to the cap in upcoming years.

I think the selling point for Florida is not looking at it as "Lundell for cap space", but Lundell for Giroux, Huberdeau, Marchment, etc, plus whatever we add.

The original tweet I referenced included just Mitts coming from the Sabres, which I don't think is enough. I think for Florida to feel ok about their future parting with Lundell, a young player and pick has to go back.

Again, I don't expect it to ever happen, but I think it's willful ignorance on their part to watch their cap window close with Bob on the roster.
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If Giroux comes back it will be because he wants to win a cup and takes a massive discount (3x$4.5?). EH is predicting Marchment will get 3x$2.5AAV. Maybe they get him to take 2x2...

If these projections are at all realistic, I assume Florida will ship out Hornqvist to a young team that needs to get to the cap and is looking for some vet grit in their bottom 6 with winning experience. Then they'd have to cap space to get the band back together for another run.

I doubt they worry too much about next offseason, even if they spend to the cap this year, they'll have close to $20M next offseason to work with to resign Huberdeau and Weegar and bridge Knight.
 
jc17 said:
The NMC I agree with, but I think their options are limited with the cap.

-They have 3M in cap space. Giroux gets what, at least 6.5M if it's incredibly team friendly pay cut? Maybe he was a rental, but he's exactly the type of player most people think a team like Florida needs for a longer playoff run
-Marchment was almost a point per game, he gets paid or they lose him. Again, lets be generous and say 4M.
-Then they have a couple of roster holes, which will still cost a couple million if they go bargain hunting with league mins.
-Next year Huberdeau is due a new deal, keeping with the team friendly theme, lets say 8.5M, 2.6M raise.

Either their president's winning trophy roster is about to disintegrate, or they have to make a significant move. They could drop some of Montour, duclair, Bennett, but its not a negligible loss, and they're still tight to the cap in upcoming years.

I think the selling point for Florida is not looking at it as "Lundell for cap space", but Lundell for Giroux, Huberdeau, Marchment, etc, plus whatever we add.

The original tweet I referenced included just Mitts coming from the Sabres, which I don't think is enough. I think for Florida to feel ok about their future parting with Lundell, a young player and pick has to go back.

Again, I don't expect it to ever happen, but I think it's willful ignorance on their part to watch their cap window close with Bob on the roster.
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I just don't see them trading Lundell. I think Zito would rather just not re-sign some players and replace them with cheaper ones, their main core is still not that hard to keep and Lundell will be part of it.
 
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