Boston Bruins Off Season Roster/ Cap Discussion

[Over the volcano]

Ah yes, that must have been the problem. Sacco provided the needed bump and the Bruins rode it out with all their guys to make a playoff push.

Oh wait, not even close. The team still stunk and they realized selling was the only option.

"He was as good as Sacco" is damning with faint praise and also not true - he was a total shit show for the team this season.

 

[PB37]

Jacobs' comments seem to point an offseason of spending money. I'm hoping it doesn't block some of our NHL ready prospects from getting a shot on the team in favor of keeping the status quo.

- get a stop gap for the top 6 on a one to two year deal

- top 4 RHD has to be a priority

I want to see them retool but to be generous with giving Minten, Lysell, Khusy, Lohrei and Poitras time in the NHL to stick.

 

[DKH]

I do wonder what the Bruins think of CM. Was he someone they targeted in the deal with Colorado, or someone they were forced to take for contract offset?

My guess is he was a logical swap and the Avs were happy to move - ‘but’ he’s still young and skilled so the take was fine. I’m sure they wanted Zellers and the pick

Coyle has I think 9 assists in last 7 games after 5 in his 60 games here

 

[McBrom7]

I agree that it's likely none of the players in the Brazeau deal will be around long term. But they got 2 players that are just better players than Brazeau and a draft pick. That's a robbery even if it doesn't move the needle that much long term. Taking the chance on Khusy alone is worth it. There's room to grow there unlike Braz.

If Frederic was healthy and signed to a deal, it wouldn't of been a great deal, but the guy hasn't even really played yet. Think he played 1 game and reinjured it and is a UFA at seasons end.

You can hate Sweeney, there's reasons to. But he absolutely crushed every deal of this deadline except Marchand.

Yeah I wish I could disagree with a lot of this, but I can't. I guess my only point is this deadline didn't really move the needle much for me for whether I want him in charge for the coming years.

I don't know if I "hate" Sweeney, I'm just very skeptical he should be the guy in charge of this rebuild. And I actually think he's been an above average drafter, but his tendencies to go off the board are very scary for teams with top 10, even top 5 picks.

 

[DKH]

Next Wednesday?? So a few days before NFL draft…….hhhhmmm

Works for me

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Yeah I wish I could disagree with a lot of this, but I can't. I guess my only point is this deadline didn't really move the needle much for me for whether I want him in charge for the coming years.

I don't know if I "hate" Sweeney, I'm just very skeptical he should be the guy in charge of this rebuild. And I actually think he's been an above average drafter, but his tendencies to go off the board are very scary for teams with top 10, even top 5 picks.

When has gone off the board (obviously since 2015)? Lohrei? Poitras? And what board are we using to decide that he went off said board?

 

[jmon1313]

Yeah I wish I could disagree with a lot of this, but I can't. I guess my only point is this deadline didn't really move the needle much for me for whether I want him in charge for the coming years.

I don't know if I "hate" Sweeney, I'm just very skeptical he should be the guy in charge of this rebuild. And I actually think he's been an above average drafter, but his tendencies to go off the board are very scary for teams with top 10, even top 5 picks.

I'm probably on just the opposite side of you on my opinion of Sweeney. I'm not sure he's the right guy, but I also think we could a lot worse and I'm scared of them hiring someone and getting stuck in the 8 year rebuild cycle when this should be a quick retool.

 

[Blowfish]

Find a way to bring Geek brothers together in Boston.

 

[DKH]

When has gone off the board (obviously since 2015)? Lohrei? Poitras? And what board are we using to decide that he went off said board?

My Bruins Are Life text group preaches that 2015 draft Donny banged the table and overruled Keith Gretzky who had just said “how about this Aho kid? Bergy & Krech getting older, we need a young center” and went off the board for Zach Sensyshyn, only a minute after he said ‘I’m in charge, I don’t know Kyle Connor’s dad but I know Jake DeBrusk’s dad Louie, he’s our pick at 14’

That is off the board

 

[Hookslide]

An unmotivated coach due to disputes with management is not the same as not being a good coach. The point here is management is very clearly the overall problem yet the Bruins always pass it off to their fans that it's the coach.

If he was unhappy, you still need to do your job, how does he explain his shitty attitude to his players, not sur that is how you lead a team.

 

[the negotiator]

Geekie -- 3 x 4.5

Submit it to your memory

Would love for you to be right ....I am expecting more like 5/5.25 over 4 years

 

[wintersej]

Well it's WAY easier to build a second line than a first. Suddenly, we have an NHL level first line.

I think the 6th D you spend the minimum, 1-2 years. Could be Spoon. Give yourself flexibility to be in on Eichel the year after.

I think your 1st and 4th lines are about done. I think Poitras and dare I say Lysell are in the middle six next year. Maybe with our top pick depending on who it is.

So you're maybe just building out the names beside Zacha on line 2. I expect them to be vets with very high on leadership qualities, great in the room. Probably guys under 5-6M each. Marchy actually fits the mold perfectly, but maybe that ship has sailed? We'll see. Guys like that anyway.

I think Sweeney doens't give much term this offseason, moves the youth movement along. And we compete in that 8-11 spot in the East. And if you told me the team clicked and we made WC1 or something, I wouldn't be so surprised. If you told me we were in the lotto again, I wouldn't be so surprised either.

Geekie Lindholm Pasta
??? Mittelstadt Lysell
Zacha Poitras ???
??? Minten Kastelic

That’s my mental modal to start.

And I hate how the middle six fits together unless Mittelstadt or Poitras gets shifted to wing…and at the same time I’m not sure if they can be shifted to wing effectively.

There really needs to be a hockey trade in here as part of the plan.

 

[Sevendust]

Geekie Lindholm Pasta
??? Mittelstadt Lysell
Zacha Poitras ???
??? Minten Kastelic

That’s my mental modal to start.

And I hate how the middle six fits together unless Mittelstadt or Poitras gets shifted to wing…and at the same time I’m not sure if they can be shifted to wing effectively.

There really needs to be a hockey trade in here as part of the plan.

Lysell, Dino and Poitras is a little bit weak and small on the physical part. They have to be sheltered a little bit if the Bruins want to be succesfull. Personally after the trades the Bruins made I would put Poitras on the block for a trade for a left wing prospect with the same potential a la the Yager and McGroarty trade.

 

[McBrom7]

Geekie Lindholm Pasta
??? Mittelstadt Lysell
Zacha Poitras ???
??? Minten Kastelic

That’s my mental modal to start.

And I hate how the middle six fits together unless Mittelstadt or Poitras gets shifted to wing…and at the same time I’m not sure if they can be shifted to wing effectively.

There really needs to be a hockey trade in here as part of the plan.

We’re on the same wavelength with the forward group. I think their only option to improve the top 6 is a hockey trade that most likely including Mittlestadt.

However, with his contract I think they would have to add to Mittlestadt a lot to get the upgrade and I’m not even sure who the target would be. Their best option might just be to try and make him work for the duration of his contract. It feels pretty deflating to be contractually stuck with both Lindholm and Mittlestadt haha.

 

[Hookslide]

My Bruins Are Life text group preaches that 2015 draft Donny banged the table and overruled Keith Gretzky who had just said “how about this Aho kid? Bergy & Krech getting older, we need a young center” and went off the board for Zach Sensyshyn, only a minute after he said ‘I’m in charge, I don’t know Kyle Connor’s dad but I know Jake DeBrusk’s dad Louie, he’s our pick at 14’

That is off the board

The key to what you posted was players getting older, need to start thinking of replacements. Sweeney waited to long to move on from players, now this deadline he clean sweeps his roster, example when Krecji, left he should have looking for someone to fill the void, instead he brins him back, and still needed to pay bonus money to him the following year and he had no cap space, this is not a knock on Krecji, terrific player, but you get what can out of player, and start using any value he has to start replacing them. Everybody rips Sweeney for David Backes, the Blues felt it was time to move him, so Donnie jumps at it to sign him, why he was a good player for St Louis, but they did not get bogged down with an emotional signing they made a business decision to move on from him. The posters on here want Marchand back why, he is 37 years old and a broken body, time to replace him. I loved Backes good tough player, and should have been in the lineup for game 7, but the Blues felt is was time good move on their part.

 

[DKH]

The key to what you posted was players getting older, need to start thinking of replacements. Sweeney waited to long to move on from players, now this deadline he clean sweeps his roster, example when Krecji, left he should have looking for someone to fill the void, instead he brins him back, and still needed to pay bonus money to him the following year and he had no cap space, this is not a knock on Krecji, terrific player, but you get what can out of player, and start using any value he has to start replacing them. Everybody rips Sweeney for David Backes, the Blues felt it was time to move him, so Donnie jumps at it to sign him, why he was a good player for St Louis, but they did not get bogged down with an emotional signing they made a business decision to move on from him. The posters on here want Marchand back why, he is 37 years old and a broken body, time to replace him. I loved Backes good tough player, and should have been in the lineup for game 7, but the Blues felt is was time good move on their part.

I’ve had people tell me after 135 point season they should have blown it up summer before they knew they would not win

 

[Hookslide]

I’ve had people tell me after 135 point season they should have blown it up summer before they knew they would not win

I never said blow it up, but don't wait until you need a wholesale change, do it in pieces, now you no other choice.

 

[Fingertools]

I agree that it's likely none of the players in the Brazeau deal will be around long term. But they got 2 players that are just better players than Brazeau and a draft pick. That's a robbery even if it doesn't move the needle that much long term. Taking the chance on Khusy alone is worth it. There's room to grow there unlike Braz.

If Frederic was healthy and signed to a deal, it wouldn't of been a great deal, but the guy hasn't even really played yet. Think he played 1 game and reinjured it and is a UFA at seasons end.

You can hate Sweeney, there's reasons to. But he absolutely crushed every deal of this deadline except Marchand.

I think the Brazeau deal was a good one - I want to see what Frederic signs for before I decide whether a 2nd and 4th round pick is a good trade for a 1st rounder that they developed. If Frederic didn't want to sign here that would be one thing, but if he signs a decent deal somewhere else that the Bruins could have offered I would have liked to keep him on the 3rd line.

Carlo seems to be a perfect fit for the leafs and they are thrilled with him - he's also severely underpaid for the next 2 years and if the leafs go far in the playoffs he'll be a big part of that. I like Minton and it's nice to have a (late) 1st, but to me this is at most a good trade for both teams and nowhere near a robbery - it also leaves a pretty big hole in the Bruins defense.

 

[DKH]

I never said blow it up, but don't wait until you need a wholesale change, do it in pieces, now you no other choice.

They don’t need to blow it up. They should be good next season with like every other team good health

 

[RoccoF14]

They don’t need to blow it up. They should be good next season with like every other team good health

What's left to blow up? They pretty much made all the moves they needed to make at the TDL. No?

Now its time to start rebuilding....

 

[DKH]

What's left to blow up? They pretty much made all the moves they needed to make at the TDL. No?

Now its time to start rebuilding....

Haha good point

Maybe trade Swayman

 

[Hookslide]

They don’t need to blow it up. They should be good next season with like every other team good health

Health is a good start, and certain player need to be monitored, like Hamus and McAvoy. I also don't want to hear any "we had no off season surgeries" bullshit. they have a lot of work to do, and would not just depend on draft picks.

 

[jmon1313]

I think the Brazeau deal was a good one - I want to see what Frederic signs for before I decide whether a 2nd and 4th round pick is a good trade for a 1st rounder that they developed. If Frederic didn't want to sign here that would be one thing, but if he signs a decent deal somewhere else that the Bruins could have offered I would have liked to keep him on the 3rd line.

Carlo seems to be a perfect fit for the leafs and they are thrilled with him - he's also severely underpaid for the next 2 years and if the leafs go far in the playoffs he'll be a big part of that. I like Minton and it's nice to have a (late) 1st, but to me this is at most a good trade for both teams and nowhere near a robbery - it also leaves a pretty big hole in the Bruins defense.

I didn't say the Carlo or Coyle deals were a robbery.

They were great deals though.

Carlo wasn't a good fit here with Zadarov. Made the pairings awkward and Carlo is very one dimensional.

 

[RoccoF14]

I didn't say the Carlo or Coyle deals were a robbery.

They were great deals though.

Carlo wasn't a good fit here with Zadarov. Made the pairings awkward and Carlo is very one dimensional.

He wasn't a good fit with Zadorov because he was supposed to be paired with Lindholm.

Carlo was the one tradeable asset we had on the blueline that had decent value on the market. Win-win for both Boston and Toronto on that deal.

 

[jmon1313]

He wasn't a good fit with Zadorov because he was supposed to be paired with Lindholm.

Carlo was the one tradeable asset we had on the blueline that had decent value on the market. Win-win for both Boston and Toronto on that deal.

Sorry I wasn't clear.

I wasn't saying Zad was paired with Carlo.

The makeup of the D became weird with Carlo, Peake and Wotherspoon all being bad at moving the puck. And then Zadarov being average.

Losing Lindholm made it even worse.

Carlo essentially needs to be swapped for an equal skill but more well rounded defenseman and the bruins d-core (if healthy) is really good.

I also think Carlo showed signs of decline, and will be a player who declines early due to the hard minutes he's played, the heavy hits he's taken and the injury history.