TheImpatientPanther
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Yes I did. My bad.
Realmuto + Snell + Bradley would be my three guys.
Not sure what that adds up to in combined cap/dollars?
Thoughts on those 3?
Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Pt II: It's the off-season in November!... Wait. That's normal for baseball.
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Yes I did. My bad.
Realmuto + Snell + Bradley would be my three guys.
Not sure what that adds up to in combined cap/dollars?
Thoughts on those 3?
Add Kim and you have a really great offseason. What are you trading to get Snell? Id be wary of trading with Tampa Bay, they don't seem to lose trades very often. Might be better off trading for Darvish, or signing two of Tanaka/Paxton/Odorizzi.
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If the money works for Kim + those 3 then go for it. Could have a decent 3 year window with the vets in Ryu, Snell, Bradley etc.
Don't feel those 4 would be close to that 70 mil mark in space we have.
If we get Realmuto, Snell for Jansen + one of our better pitching prospects, doubt they would want Grichuk though but capwise would help. They likely want Kirk but rather give up a pitching prospect and have Muto + Kirk as 1-2 punch. Good mentor for Kirk to draw from.
Figure we would have Ryu-Snell-Pearson for that 3 year window. We have some decent guys who can be molded into back end starting roles when Ryu and Snell leave.
Pearson becomes the ace in 2-3 years.
Can still draft heavy this year on pitching and outfield.
Bradley is a good vet that is hopefully on a cheaper deal. Only happens if you can move Grichuk.
If not, Snell + Kim + Realmuto would be a decent offseason for us.
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Keep in mind that 75M is what we'll admit to. Only an idiot reveals their hand before the flop.
That's not to say that we'll spend more, but Springer, Realmuto, Kim and depth is not impossible.
That's not to say that we'll spend more, but Springer, Realmuto, Kim and depth is not impossible.
Would be a haul for sure. Hopefully we get some clarity soon.
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I really thought there would be some movement during this week but not much happened. Not talking Jays just the league in general.
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During the break between spring training and the shortened season Bauer and Grichuk trained s bit together and Grichuk was in one of Bauer's YouTube videos so they are friendly at least. I personally like Grichuk and want to keep him around as sure he's a little overpaid but is a good vet to have around. I still see Bauer going to the Angels but do think Jays are high on his list.
I'm at the point where I think the Jays miss out/move on from the big names and sign 2 mid tier FAs but trade for Lindor...just hope he comes with a 8-10 year extension around 27.5-30 million a year.
I'm at the point where I think the Jays miss out/move on from the big names and sign 2 mid tier FAs but trade for Lindor...just hope he comes with a 8-10 year extension around 27.5-30 million a year.
Blue Jays must spend with eye on long term as club hunts for impact - Sportsnet.ca
You can be certain that Shapiro, GM Ross Atkins and the rest of the front office wouldn’t be wasting time courting George Springer, D.J. LeMahieu, J.T. Realmuto and countless others if they didn’t have the authority to ante up. They’ve discussed four- and five-year deals with free agents, Shapiro “representing ownership at the table,” he said.
There’s little point in rehashing the same granular points made in recent weeks until dudes actually start signing, so let’s zoom out now and consider what substantial financial commitments really means for the franchise.
Right now, the Blue Jays are enjoying the initial grace period for rebuilding clubs when players are both inexpensive and under contractual control for an extended period, although that is beginning to end.
Of their core players, only Teoscar Hernandez is arbitration-eligible this winter, the Silver Slugger winner entering the salary-accelerator for the first time. But after 2021, Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Danny Jansen, Ryan Borucki, Rowdy Tellez and Trent Thornton all project to qualify.
Cavan Biggio might also reach the threshold as what’s known as a Super 2 player – the top 22 per cent of players in terms of service time between two and three years. If he doesn’t, he’ll be first-time eligible after 2022, along with Bo Bichette, Nate Pearson and Jordan Romano.
All those players are currently earning roughly $600,000, which helps make the roster spectacularly cost-effective. But once they get into arbitration, their salaries jump into seven figures and rise sharply, which means whatever financial commitments the Blue Jays put on the books this winter will impact longer-term decisions on those players down the road.
The dilemma currently faced by the Philadelphia Phillies offers an important cautionary tale.
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So, what’s important as the Blue Jays begin jumping their payroll isn’t only how much they can spend this year, but also what they can spend in 2022 and beyond when they have to both augment the team as needed and accommodate internal salary growth. (A farm system that continues to contribute young cost-effective talent is also vital.)
“Listen, if you're not thinking about the impact of the moves within an off-season and the organic nature of the progress of your own young players, then you're not responsibly running a major league franchise,” said Shapiro. “The way that we work with our ownership, that's more our responsibility to manage that, however there already is an understanding of what our revenues were last year, what they're likely to be next year, or at least the ranges of that. We've also seen incredible examples of what winning can do in this marketplace in '15 and '16 in a very recent context.
“There's not any set number for us (for a 2022 payroll). There's an understanding once we move forward, and that's communicated, that we're committing to a certain amount moving forward. The expectation is that we're winning. And if we're winning, we continue to grow that amount, but the revenues grow as well. Everyone's been good about understanding that we're we're in abnormal, unusual times, that we're not functioning in a normal environment yet, let's ensure that we don't deviate from the progress we've made and keep the plan moving forward.”
That vision is the ideal scenario, one that would prevent them from being like the Phillies, who want to re-sign Realmuto but aren’t sure if they can manage the commitment.
A worse-case scenario for the Blue Jays would be the back-end of contracts to, say, a Springer or Realmuto tie the front office’s hands and limit the opportunities to leverage the peak seasons of Guerrero, Bichette and Biggio before they become eligible for free agency.
You can be certain that Shapiro, GM Ross Atkins and the rest of the front office wouldn’t be wasting time courting George Springer, D.J. LeMahieu, J.T. Realmuto and countless others if they didn’t have the authority to ante up. They’ve discussed four- and five-year deals with free agents, Shapiro “representing ownership at the table,” he said.
There’s little point in rehashing the same granular points made in recent weeks until dudes actually start signing, so let’s zoom out now and consider what substantial financial commitments really means for the franchise.
Right now, the Blue Jays are enjoying the initial grace period for rebuilding clubs when players are both inexpensive and under contractual control for an extended period, although that is beginning to end.
Of their core players, only Teoscar Hernandez is arbitration-eligible this winter, the Silver Slugger winner entering the salary-accelerator for the first time. But after 2021, Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Danny Jansen, Ryan Borucki, Rowdy Tellez and Trent Thornton all project to qualify.
Cavan Biggio might also reach the threshold as what’s known as a Super 2 player – the top 22 per cent of players in terms of service time between two and three years. If he doesn’t, he’ll be first-time eligible after 2022, along with Bo Bichette, Nate Pearson and Jordan Romano.
All those players are currently earning roughly $600,000, which helps make the roster spectacularly cost-effective. But once they get into arbitration, their salaries jump into seven figures and rise sharply, which means whatever financial commitments the Blue Jays put on the books this winter will impact longer-term decisions on those players down the road.
The dilemma currently faced by the Philadelphia Phillies offers an important cautionary tale.
................
So, what’s important as the Blue Jays begin jumping their payroll isn’t only how much they can spend this year, but also what they can spend in 2022 and beyond when they have to both augment the team as needed and accommodate internal salary growth. (A farm system that continues to contribute young cost-effective talent is also vital.)
“Listen, if you're not thinking about the impact of the moves within an off-season and the organic nature of the progress of your own young players, then you're not responsibly running a major league franchise,” said Shapiro. “The way that we work with our ownership, that's more our responsibility to manage that, however there already is an understanding of what our revenues were last year, what they're likely to be next year, or at least the ranges of that. We've also seen incredible examples of what winning can do in this marketplace in '15 and '16 in a very recent context.
“There's not any set number for us (for a 2022 payroll). There's an understanding once we move forward, and that's communicated, that we're committing to a certain amount moving forward. The expectation is that we're winning. And if we're winning, we continue to grow that amount, but the revenues grow as well. Everyone's been good about understanding that we're we're in abnormal, unusual times, that we're not functioning in a normal environment yet, let's ensure that we don't deviate from the progress we've made and keep the plan moving forward.”
That vision is the ideal scenario, one that would prevent them from being like the Phillies, who want to re-sign Realmuto but aren’t sure if they can manage the commitment.
A worse-case scenario for the Blue Jays would be the back-end of contracts to, say, a Springer or Realmuto tie the front office’s hands and limit the opportunities to leverage the peak seasons of Guerrero, Bichette and Biggio before they become eligible for free agency.
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Damn we should have won in 2015. That team was good enough to do it.
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Guy who gets $40M and 4 years after being non tendered 2 years ago? Yeah, it’s going to be a regular offseason. No bargains here.
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