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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 11th: BJ's like Dickey

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Cyris said:
Wakfield pitched till he was 44 but he wasnt as good as when he was younger he had 1 really good season after 38. Same with Candiotti, 1 good season after 38. Nikero was a freak.
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And one of these pitchers won a Cy Young. I don't mind comparing him to the freak.
 
Sokil said:
wakefiled pitched till he was 44, phil nierko 48, joe nierko 43, candiotti 41

we need him to do well over the next 2-3, but we could have him for 5 years of service, which is fine for a pitcher. pitchers of all age break down at different times - life is unpredictable. Him being 38 isn't a problem, he reached his prime late, so what.

If he was 20 we wouldn't be able to even think of acquiring him. Him being 38 helps us in this situation, and I'll take a 38 year old Dickey over no Dickey at all.
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Exactly. Bodies of all age can break down. Him being 38 actually makes you think he might NOT break down as easy. Look at guys like Drabek and McGowan. Poor ********.
 
Orca Smash said:
Hope you guys dont mind a canucks fan in here, but this thread follows the jays much better then our own.
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No worries. This may be on the Leafs board, but this thread is for every Jays fan, no matter their NHL allegiance. We're a collective of fans of at least 8-10 different NHL teams. That's rule #1 of these threads: Your NHL fandom gets left at the door.

Hell, we've got Habs fans, Sens fans, and Leafs fans all practically holding hands and singing kumbaya. That's the magic of these Jays threads. :laugh:
 
ChillyPalmer said:
The Mets aren't willing to give him 6 million more over two years, but then ask for our top prospect?

Seems mad sketchy to me.
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They're selling high big time. If AA was going to trade a CY Young Winner I'd want him to ask for a top prospect or two as well.
 
Trading TDA hurts the future, yes.

But as it stands right now, it looks like that the Jays BEST shot at a WS Title will be within 2 years. Trading for someone like Dickey would add a lot of insurance to the trades and signings that have already done.

Dickey has improved the last 3 seasons. From that I would guess, assuming no injury, that he would be able to pitch at least what he did 3 seasons ago. That season although not remarkable is still solid enough that it would help the team immensely.

I believe trading for Dickey, even at the cost of TDA, is the right move. Between the choices of participating in a WS once in the next 5 years and doing poorly the other years or being an also ran for 5 years, I choose participating in the WS and Dickey gives the Jays the best shot of that happening.
 
Cyris said:
Sure we should always assume only the best possible outcome when we make a trade.
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You're talking about a player who hasn't had a single ounce of success in the majors and comparing him to a player who just won the Cy Young.. You sure you want to talk about assuming only the best possible outcome? You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
 
topched said:
This exactly.

Davis last season had more value than Lind every year since his silver slugger year.

This was also somewhat of a sophomore slump year for him, as he was injured last year, and wasn't even 100% to start the year (broken ankle).

Put him in RC and he hits 40 HR's with ease.
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My problem isn't the power - like I said it's the OBP. Yeah, it's nice to have guys with pop. But we have plenty of them. We don't need a 3rd JPA/Rasmus in the lineup (low OBP, high power). Lind was hitting around .345 OBP in the second half and I only expect that number to go up with Chad helping him out. He sucked ever since Murphy came aboard.

But people have informed me, his OBP is low because of New York. So if we acquire him, hopefully he can get up around a .330 clip.
 
As much as it would hurt losing D'arnaud, the potential new rotation has me drooling. Having Dickey would help cushion the blow if JJ doesn't re-sign. Still...D'arnaud is gonna be a star.
 
HawkeyeCB said:
I'm a big OBP guy and Davis doesn't have that. But if it's true that he's only bad in New York, then good. For some reason I thought he was older though, so I'd be willing to have him in the deal.
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Davis has a career .336 OBP, and that is including a season in which he batted an unsustainably low .246 BABIP. If that mark normalizes Ike Davis should be closer to a .350 OBP, and that is even before park factors are taken into consideration. The key for Davis will be batting against LHP, if he can maintain even a slightly below average rate against LHP his bat against RHP will more than make up for it, if not he could be a slightly better Adam Lind.
 
Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan
In other words, if this deal gets done, the Blue Jays are getting back a lot more than just R.A. Dickey on a one-year deal.
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2m Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan
For those unfamiliar with Travis D'Arnaud, he's the best catching prospect in the minor leagues. Big bat/arm, superb makeup. Future star.
 
Cyris said:
Your right any player who didn't play in the bigs last season is worth less than any player who did.

I hope some team is dumb enough to trade us some bench players for Syndergarrd and Sanchez.
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Thats not what its about. We're getting a top 10 pitcher in the MLB last year. Sure you've gotta give up a very good prospect, but it takes talent to get talent. And we're trading from a position of strength.

The last prospect we had this highly touted, and seemed like a sure thing was Travis Snider. Looking back, before he played in the majors he was at his highest value.

I'm not saying Darnaud is going to turn out like Snider... but you're getting a great player for a might be great.

ChillyPalmer said:
The Mets aren't willing to give him 6 million more over two years, but then ask for our top prospect?

Seems mad sketchy to me.
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Its 13 mill a year for 2 years... and also keeping a 38 year old Cy Young Winner on a team that has no chance in hell of making the playoffs is a terrible strategy.

Mets are right to trade him and accelerate the rebuild.
 
Everlong said:
As much as it would hurt losing D'arnaud, the potential new rotation has me drooling. Having Dickey would help cushion the blow if JJ doesn't re-sign. Still...D'arnaud is gonna be a star.
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Agreed. I love D'Arnaud (which sucks cause I'm a huge JPA fan), but Dickey is awesome. However, the only way I do this deal is if we win the other part of the trade and Dickey signs an extension immediately.
 
Everlong said:
As much as it would hurt losing D'arnaud, the potential new rotation has me drooling. Having Dickey would help cushion the blow if JJ doesn't re-sign. Still...D'arnaud is gonna be a star.
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How do you know he will be. Everyone is freaking out about D'Arnaud but the fact is he hasn't had a single major league at bat. Let's calm down a bit. I know he has great potential but I'm just stating a fact here.

Give me a CY Young Winner over a minor league all-star any day of the week.
 
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