You would think that 50%of pucks hitting the posts would go in. I feel like this percentage would be more like 25%. Have you noticed this? Or is it just me?
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Golden_Jet
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Does any league track pucks hitting posts, and where the puck ends up after ? NHL sure doesn't, at least not in their publically available stats. In NHL stat keeping,, a shot can only be logged as hitting the post, if it isn't a goal, or a save (or wide, over, blocked). Goals are goals, saves are saves, post is a post, no one shot attempt can be two things at the same time.
And, acktshstually, 50% wouldn't even be true mathematically. since there parts of the posts you can't hit because the shot would need come from an angle that is either covered by the netting, or from inside the goal, and in extreme cases, eclipsed by the other post. If we include the crossbar, it gets even more dubious.
And, acktshstually, 50% wouldn't even be true mathematically. since there parts of the posts you can't hit because the shot would need come from an angle that is either covered by the netting, or from inside the goal, and in extreme cases, eclipsed by the other post. If we include the crossbar, it gets even more dubious.
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morehockeystats
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NHL tracks iron hits, to the degree whether it was a post or a crossbar. It's classified as a 'MISS'. By the location of the next play you can approximate the direction of the deflection, including 'out of play' if followed by a stoppage. For the last few years the tracking distinguishes between right and left post, although I am not sure whether it's the goalie or the shooter left/right.
There were about 2K irons in the regular 2023/24 season out of total:
115K unblocked shot attempts
35.5K misses
For comparison, there were about 8.25K goals.
This is a decent tool to estimate how much the scoring is going to improve if the size of the goal is increased.
What isn't tracked is goals off the iron and in.
There were about 2K irons in the regular 2023/24 season out of total:
115K unblocked shot attempts
35.5K misses
For comparison, there were about 8.25K goals.
This is a decent tool to estimate how much the scoring is going to improve if the size of the goal is increased.
What isn't tracked is goals off the iron and in.
I didn't know they had right and left post too. I looked a for a game from yesterday or the day before (that I can still watch), to find post hits. VAN@NJ, three posts. It's shooter right/left btw. One of the posts is clear post hit, ping and all, just before the 3-3 goal.
The other two post from that game, I don't know. The stat keepers must have more camera angles, because I can't for the life of me see either of them touching the post in real speed. Neither of them were even worth replay on the broadcast.
I then looked at MIN@DAL, which had six posts. Four clear pings, and one that looked like a post and got the commentators attention too. But one of them, again, I don't see it. Even the commentator says wide, the same commentator who said that Stars had 19 posts in that game after one of the pings. Yes, it's a light-hearted exaggeration, but he noticed the others, but not this one.
Hate to bring up such a small sample size on the By the numbers board, but if 3 out of 9 posts are so close I can't tell by watching them several times at game speed (because I can't slow them down) from one camera angle (because non of them were worthy of a replay on the next stoppage), that seems like a lot to me.
Starting to make a little sense to me. If you are shooting from the boards, the angle of the near post would deflect more away. But the far post would more likely go in. So that would be a wash? I need a physics major.
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The amount of shots hitting posts and going in would be way less than 50% even from in front.
1. There are 5 areas it can deflect, back left, back right, front left, front right and straight back. The goal mouth is only going to be in one of those areas. Back left and right are probably higher chances but still there are other options.
Shots from bad angles would see different percentages, often lower.
2. Goalies would be changing the stats by blocking or deflecting some shots on that would be post and in.
1. There are 5 areas it can deflect, back left, back right, front left, front right and straight back. The goal mouth is only going to be in one of those areas. Back left and right are probably higher chances but still there are other options.
Shots from bad angles would see different percentages, often lower.
2. Goalies would be changing the stats by blocking or deflecting some shots on that would be post and in.
morehockeystats
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I agree with you. (My brother majored in Physics.) It depends on the angle, a little bit on the speed, and what part of the post you hit.
I have seen pucks hit both posts, usually that is coming from straight out from a post, parallel to a side wall. Those usually don't go into the net because they never cross the line.
The idea of oval shaped posts is interesting!
Physics majors are fun but you’d also get help from game developers/technical artists. They work with tangents of curved surfaces, normals, reflections and also can make fancy graphics to interact with the results.
Maybe If it’s needed I’ll bang it out. Got a busy weekend.
I feel there would always be a bias to the closest post, and the only way you’d get even results from left and right is if you shot from dead center.
The close post in your example would have a minimal amount of into-the-goal reflection surface visible to the shot, and since it would also have the most surface visible to the shot you would get bias - as far more surface was present that deflected the puck away from into the net as opposed to into it.
