Obscure hockey facts/stats (Part 2)

[Crosby2010]

Tim Hurlbut known as the naked guy who jumped on the ice in Calgary and slipped and hit his head on the ice and lay there concussed was around 22 or so when he did that in 2002. He is currently a Mortgage Broker somewhere in Medicine Hat. I believe he is married to the girl that he was engaged to at the time of him doing that. Has a couple of kids too, haha. I mean, I wouldn't not have the guy has a mortgage broker based on that, but I couldn't help but ask a ton of questions about it too. It would be fun. So the guy who was cheering while being taken off the ice in a stretcher after streaking actually turned out........................alright I guess?

 

[reckoning]

In February of 1977, Buffalo called up rookie goalie Don Edwards from the minors, and he played well enough to take over the their starting goalie position. He played 25 games that year, and received 2 third place votes for the Calder Trophy, putting him in 8th place in the Calder voting.

The following season, he was Buffalo's #1 goalie, led the league in goalie wins, and made the 2nd All-Star team. But since he did not play more than 25 games his first year, he was still eligible for the Calder. This time he finished 3rd in voting behind Mike Bossy and Barry Beck. In a less stacked year, he might have won it

Has any other player received Calder votes in two different seasons?

 

[The Panther]

Tim Hurlbut ...

"Hurlbut" is one of those names. Once heard, you can't forget it...

 

[Crosby2010]

In February of 1977, Buffalo called up rookie goalie Don Edwards from the minors, and he played well enough to take over the their starting goalie position. He played 25 games that year, and received 2 third place votes for the Calder Trophy, putting him in 8th place in the Calder voting.

The following season, he was Buffalo's #1 goalie, led the league in goalie wins, and made the 2nd All-Star team. But since he did not play more than 25 games his first year, he was still eligible for the Calder. This time he finished 3rd in voting behind Mike Bossy and Barry Beck. In a less stacked year, he might have won it

Has any other player received Calder votes in two different seasons?

Dryden is the first name I thought of as a possibility. Not that he played much in the regular season in 1971 but he was 6-0 with a 1.65 GAA. But he didn't get any votes. Upon checking, I don't see Edwards getting any votes in 1977 either.

1976-77 NHL Awards Voting | Hockey-Reference.com

www.hockey-reference.com

 

[reckoning]

Dryden is the first name I thought of as a possibility. Not that he played much in the regular season in 1971 but he was 6-0 with a 1.65 GAA. But he didn't get any votes. Upon checking, I don't see Edwards getting any votes in 1977 either.

1976-77 NHL Awards Voting | Hockey-Reference.com

www.hockey-reference.com

Hockey-Reference only has the top 5 vote getters. The July 1977 issue of THN has the complete results.

Incidentally, I think Hockey-Reference took their voting results directly from this board

 

[Crosby2010]

Hockey-Reference only has the top 5 vote getters. The July 1977 issue of THN has the complete results.

Incidentally, I think Hockey-Reference took their voting results directly from this board

He definitely has the stats in 1977 that I can see may have garnered at least a few votes, so I can see why.

 

[Doctor No]

He definitely has the stats in 1977 that I can see may have garnered at least a few votes, so I can see why.

This was the year that Edwards was called up upon Gerry Desjardins' eye injury, and Al Smith walked off the team (necessitating the call-up of another rookie, Bob Sauve), and the Sabres basically had to ride Edwards as far as he would take them.

Sauve got one start the rest of the way, and Edwards made it to an elimination game against the Islanders where they decided to bring Desjardins back (we would later find out that his eye never truly healed).

1976-1977 Buffalo Sabres Goaltender Game-by-Game Performance

hockeygoalies.org

Edwards was a good choice to get Calder votes.

Since we're on "obscure hockey facts", Edwards initially wore a Lefty Wilson style (via his uncle Roy) before switching to the helmet/cage (I believe the Sabres mandated it after Desjardins' injury):

These two were from March 5, 1977. Edwards had switched by mid-April 1977 (this is from the Rochester Democrat-Chronicle 4/16):

 

[alko]

Tim Hurlbut known as the naked guy who jumped on the ice in Calgary and slipped and hit his head on the ice and lay there concussed was around 22 or so when he did that in 2002. He is currently a Mortgage Broker somewhere in Medicine Hat. I believe he is married to the girl that he was engaged to at the time of him doing that. Has a couple of kids too, haha. I mean, I wouldn't not have the guy has a mortgage broker based on that, but I couldn't help but ask a ton of questions about it too. It would be fun. So the guy who was cheering while being taken off the ice in a stretcher after streaking actually turned out........................alright I guess?

More info about this famous spectacle here.

 

[Crosby2010]

More info about this famous spectacle here.

The guy is still sort of an idiot though isn't he? Even 20 years later. Did he learn a thing?

 

[Doctor Coffin]

I always thought it was kind of a remarkable fact/coincidence that three well-known NHL stars of the 1950s shared names with three major league baseball players from the early 1900s -

Tod Sloan (three stints with the St. Louis Browns, 1913-1919)
Harry Lumley (Brooklyn Dodgers 1904-1910)
Harry Howell (1898-1910, primarily with the St. Louis Browns)

 

[Ben Grimm]

The Rocket never won a scoring title. He finished second five times.

 

[The Panther]

In the calendar year of 2000, Luc Robitaille was 2nd in NHL scoring. This is the best he did in his entire career (sixteen years after his draft) in calendar-year scoring:

1987 - 16th
1988 - 5th
1989 - 11th
1990 - 26th
1991 - 12th
1992 - 4th
1993 - 8th
1994 - 40th
1999 - 29th
2000 - 2nd
2001 - 43rd

 

[The Panther]

I've noted this before, but if you ever wanted definitive proof of how hard Wayne Gretzky fell off his even strength scoring after the Sept. 1991 "Suter-ing":

1990-91 ES Points
103 -- Wayne Gretzky (1st)
31 -- Ray Ferraro (113th)

1991-92 ES Points
66 -- Ray Ferraro (4th)
63 -- Wayne Gretzky (8th)

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Why would you concoct a comparison involving Ray Ferraro, whose 1990-91 regular season points totals were the lowest by far of his NHL career since his rookie year where he spent half his time in Binghamton? And whose 1991-92 regular season points totals were the highest of his NHL career?

It seems like "definitive proof of how hard Wayne Gretzky fell off..." would be the 103 to 63 without even involving Ferraro?

 

[The Panther]

Why would you concoct a comparison involving Ray Ferraro

I thought it was interesting. My apologies to the forum.

 

[Brodeur]

With the recent talk about the NHL possibly playing some games in Mexico City.....

Hlinka Gretzky Cup - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The summertime Hlinka Gretzky Cup originated as The Pacific Cup in the early 90's. Mexico City hosted in 1994 which resulted in some unintentional humor upon rewatching the 1995 Draft. A few times during the broadcast, the commentators would describe a prospect like "He had a rough draft season but he looked good last summer in Mexico" without a trace of sarcasm.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

In the calendar year of 2000, Luc Robitaille was 2nd in NHL scoring. This is the best he did in his entire career (sixteen years after his draft) in calendar-year scoring:

1987 - 16th
1988 - 5th
1989 - 11th
1990 - 26th
1991 - 12th
1992 - 4th
1993 - 8th
1994 - 40th
1999 - 29th
2000 - 2nd
2001 - 43rd

I know Robitaille had a resurgence late in his career, but this stat seemed so unlikely, I had to double check it. (He wasn't in the top ten in points, or points per game, in either the 1999-00 or 2000-01 seasons). Incredibly, Robitaille really was 2nd in scoring in calendar 2000.

 

[mrhockey193195]

In February of 1977, Buffalo called up rookie goalie Don Edwards from the minors, and he played well enough to take over the their starting goalie position. He played 25 games that year, and received 2 third place votes for the Calder Trophy, putting him in 8th place in the Calder voting.

The following season, he was Buffalo's #1 goalie, led the league in goalie wins, and made the 2nd All-Star team. But since he did not play more than 25 games his first year, he was still eligible for the Calder. This time he finished 3rd in voting behind Mike Bossy and Barry Beck. In a less stacked year, he might have won it

Has any other player received Calder votes in two different seasons?

I believe Jamie Storr made the all-rookie team two different years in the 90s.

EDIT: just checked, he did make the all-rookie team in both 98 and 99, but only received Calder votes in 98.

 

[jigglysquishy]

If you go by calendar year you get some interesting results

1997 - Teemu Selanne leads with 106 points (63 goals!) with Lecalir and Lindros at 103 points
1998 - Jagr leads with 96 points with Gretzky second with 91 and Leclair third with 81 points
1999 - Jagr has an insane 63 goals 152 points in 84 games. Selanne is second with 109 and Kariya third with 96 points
2000 - Sakic leads with 108 points, Robitaille second with 95 and Elais third with 91
2001 - Jagr, Sakic, Yashin 1-2-3 in fairly normal fashion
2002 - Bertuzzi leads with 102 just ahead of Naslund's 101 and Kovalev's 99. Lemieux has an insane 85 points in 50 games
2003 - Naslund leads with 99 to Hejduk and Palffy's 94

Some other interesting ones
1994 - Bure leads with 72 points in 47 games
1996 - Lemieux puts up a fairly normal 133 points over Jagr 127
2010 - Crosby has 60 goals 126 points. Stamkos has 61 goals 114 points. Semin is third in goals at 44
2015 - Benn puts up 107 points to Ovechkin's 85
2016 - Crosby puts up 100 points (53 goals) to Kane's 87 and Panarin/ Thornton at 81
2021 - McDavid puts up 157. Draisaitl 135. Matthews and Huberdeau are next at 99
2023 - MacKinnon is leading McDavid 97 to 94

 

[seventieslord]

If you go by calendar year you get some interesting results

1997 - Teemu Selanne leads with 106 points (63 goals!) with Lecalir and Lindros at 103 points
1998 - Jagr leads with 96 points with Gretzky second with 91 and Leclair third with 81 points
1999 - Jagr has an insane 63 goals 152 points in 84 games. Selanne is second with 109 and Kariya third with 96 points
2000 - Sakic leads with 108 points, Robitaille second with 95 and Elais third with 91
2001 - Jagr, Sakic, Yashin 1-2-3 in fairly normal fashion
2002 - Bertuzzi leads with 102 just ahead of Naslund's 101 and Kovalev's 99. Lemieux has an insane 85 points in 50 games
2003 - Naslund leads with 99 to Hejduk and Palffy's 94

Some other interesting ones
1994 - Bure leads with 72 points in 47 games
1996 - Lemieux puts up a fairly normal 133 points over Jagr 127
2010 - Crosby has 60 goals 126 points. Stamkos has 61 goals 114 points. Semin is third in goals at 44
2015 - Benn puts up 107 points to Ovechkin's 85
2016 - Crosby puts up 100 points (53 goals) to Kane's 87 and Panarin/ Thornton at 81
2021 - McDavid puts up 157. Draisaitl 135. Matthews and Huberdeau are next at 99
2023 - MacKinnon is leading McDavid 97 to 94

Vincent Lecavalier 2007: 57 goals, 114 points (both most in the league)

 

[overpass]

Looking at four of the top goal scoring seasons in hockey history, Esposito 70-71, Gretzky 81-82, Lemieux 88-89, and Hull 90-91. In the final 5 minutes of the third period:

Gretzky scored 19 goals
Lemieux scored 14 goals
Esposito scored 2 goals
Hull scored 1 goal

Through the first 55 minutes of games:

Hull scored 84 goals
Esposito scored 74 goals
Gretzky scored 73 goals
Lemieux scored 70 goals

Gretzky scored 6 goals in the final minute of regulation, and Lemieux scored 11!

Looking at all 3 periods, Hull scored 18 goals in the first 3 minutes of the period, only 2 goals in the final 3 minutes of the period, and no goals in the final minute of the period.

Esposito scored only 5 goals after the 10 minute mark of the third period.

Clearly these players were used very differently at the end of games!

 

[Crosby2010]

Looking at four of the top goal scoring seasons in hockey history, Esposito 70-71, Gretzky 81-82, Lemieux 88-89, and Hull 90-91. In the final 5 minutes of the third period:

Gretzky scored 19 goals
Lemieux scored 14 goals
Esposito scored 2 goals
Hull scored 1 goal

Through the first 55 minutes of games:

Hull scored 84 goals
Esposito scored 74 goals
Gretzky scored 73 goals
Lemieux scored 70 goals

Gretzky scored 6 goals in the final minute of regulation, and Lemieux scored 11!

Looking at all 3 periods, Hull scored 18 goals in the first 3 minutes of the period, only 2 goals in the final 3 minutes of the period, and no goals in the final minute of the period.

Esposito scored only 5 goals after the 10 minute mark of the third period.

Clearly these players were used very differently at the end of games!

Not sure why either. I am guessing there are some empty net goals there and we all know Hull never scored empty netters. So I get that, but that can't all be the reason. Did Esposito not go on the ice when the other team had the goalie pulled? He killed penalties, so I am not sure. But my best guess is that the best team by far is the 1971 Bruins here and there were lots of times the Bruins were far ahead of the other team and either Esposito had his playing time reduced or he himself took his foot off the pedal in blowout games.

 

[Crosby2010]

Team Canada at the 2002 Olympics had less players - at that time anyway - who had won a Stanley Cup (12) compared to the Americans (15).

 

[overpass]

Not sure why either. I am guessing there are some empty net goals there and we all know Hull never scored empty netters. So I get that, but that can't all be the reason. Did Esposito not go on the ice when the other team had the goalie pulled? He killed penalties, so I am not sure. But my best guess is that the best team by far is the 1971 Bruins here and there were lots of times the Bruins were far ahead of the other team and either Esposito had his playing time reduced or he himself took his foot off the pedal in blowout games.

Empty netters for sure. Mario had 7 and Gretzky had 4. And I think, more generally, they were out there late in games with the lead scoring insurance goals, where Hull and Esposito played for coaches who sent out their checkers to hold the lead late.

The data bears out what you say about Esposito not scoring in blowouts. The Bruins had as many big blowout wins as any team in history, but Esposito only scored 2 goals when they were up by 4 or more. He scored 35 of his 76 goals in the second period - I wonder if he tended to take his long shifts more often with the long change.

 

[Crosby2010]

Empty netters for sure. Mario had 7 and Gretzky had 4. And I think, more generally, they were out there late in games with the lead scoring insurance goals, where Hull and Esposito played for coaches who sent out their checkers to hold the lead late.

The data bears out what you say about Esposito not scoring in blowouts. The Bruins had as many big blowout wins as any team in history, but Esposito only scored 2 goals when they were up by 4 or more. He scored 35 of his 76 goals in the second period - I wonder if he tended to take his long shifts more often with the long change.

That would make sense as to why he had more goals in that period. Espo was always very comfortable being out there long