Proposal: NYR - Winnipeg (Lafreniere for Scheifele)

[DaveMatthew]

To NYR: Mark Scheifele
To Winnipeg: Alexis Lafreniere

A Nieuwendyk for Iginla type trade.

NYR bolster their lineup and are in the mix as a top contender for the next 3-4 years behind Panarin (30), Kreider (30), Zibanejad (28), Scheifele (28), Trouba (27), etc.

Winnipeg kick-off a young re-tool with a big name, high-potential prospect in Lafreniere (20) to grow alongside Dubois (23), Connor (25), Perfetti (20), etc.

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[Cadash24]

As a Rangers fan I do this 100x out of 100.

 

[Ruggs225]

Nope. Not at all.

the only way i trade laf is if the 1OA is coming back so i can draft Wright.

Plus this trade wont work salary wise for rangers.

 

[Jetland162702]

Even though the Jets are struggling this season I don't think they are heading to a retool but if they are I don't think Lafreniere nets you Schiefele at this stage in their respective careers IMO.
That said, I doubt the Rangers would agree to the add most Jets fans will want.

 

[SM]

I’m on board with evaluating the market for a Scheifele trade to really jumpstart a retool, but this ain’t it.

I like Lafrenière’s style of play, but Jets need to focus on finding a 1D and/or high quality right shot forwards.

 

[Cadash24]

What do Jets fans think would need to be added to Laf, reasonably, to get that trade done?

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Rangers say no, we are not trading Laf.

 

[Canucks LB]

Rangers say no, we are not trading Laf.

I will eat a pair of socks if the Rangers said no to this

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I will eat a pair of socks if the Rangers said no to this

Might as well take a video of this and post it now.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

I will eat a pair of socks if the Rangers said no to this

I hope you like the taste of socks then..

 

[Hunter368]

Fairly easy no from the Jets

 

[TGWL]

Rangers are tossing away an ELC and brining back 6 million. That's not going to work.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Rangers are tossing away an ELC and brining back 6 million. That's not going to work.

Scheifele's cap hit is $6.125M.

Rangers have enough space to add him this year, and then next season, Strome's $4.5M cap hit is off the books.

I feel like they can accomodate the additional $1.6M for the upgrade in their top 6 and slot in a different ELC on the 3rd line (Othmann or Cuyle, for example).

 

[Taluss]

Interesting proposal. I think for now I say no on NYR side.

 

[TGWL]

Scheifele's cap hit is $6.125M.

Rangers have enough space to add him this year, and then next season, Strome's $4.5M cap hit is off the books.

I feel like they can accomodate the additional $1.6M for the upgrade in their top 6 and slot in a different ELC on the 3rd line (Othmann or Cuyle, for example).

Rangers will also (or should) be replacing Hunt and Gauthier. Othmann can't play in the AHL next season. So he's either going to make the team by being impressive, or he's being sent back to juniors (which probably won't help him, but that's up to whether the organization wants to burn a year or not). He's going to work on skating in the offseason. Same with Cuylle. Both have birthdays after Dec 31st, so they can't play in the AHL next season. This is why teams run into issues when players shouldn't be on the roster but can't play in the AHL and have nothing left to develop in juniors.

"They rushed Laf." Well, where the hell was he supposed to go?

 

[Snowman]

Not interesting for Winnipeg at all.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Winnipeg GM would laugh and hang up the phone on the Rangers.

 

[alasania94]

WPG: Scheifele
NYR: Lafreniere, 2022 1st

i think this may be closer in value

 

[Heldig]

To NYR: Mark Scheifele
To Winnipeg: Alexis Lafreniere

A Nieuwendyk for Iginla type trade.

NYR bolster their lineup and are in the mix as a top contender for the next 3-4 years behind Panarin (30), Kreider (30), Zibanejad (28), Scheifele (28), Trouba (27), etc.

Winnipeg kick-off a young re-tool with a big name, high-potential prospect in Lafreniere (20) to grow alongside Dubois (23), Connor (25), Perfetti (20), etc.

Not enough to the Jets. Add Chytl? Jets would need a 2C. And that may not be enough. I would want to ask for Schneider too but may one of the other top young D?

 

[gojetsgo]

way too much risk for the jets, no thank you

 

[Hunter368]

Not even a little interest in Laf.......pass.

 

[bernmeister]

To NYR: Mark Scheifele
To Winnipeg: Alexis Lafreniere

A Nieuwendyk for Iginla type trade.

NYR bolster their lineup and are in the mix as a top contender for the next 3-4 years behind Panarin (30), Kreider (30), Zibanejad (28), Scheifele (28), Trouba (27), etc.

Winnipeg kick-off a young re-tool with a big name, high-potential prospect in Lafreniere (20) to grow alongside Dubois (23), Connor (25), Perfetti (20), etc.

Seems like a good hearted attempt to be fair, but no, this does not work for NY.
Overriding issue is upside of LaF, which many of us suspect is just a matter of him developing NHL level skating, keep moving his legs properly, etc.; we think he is otherwise already close to breaking out if/when that aspect of his game emerges.
The other thing is cap.
A more appealing deal for NY would be Strome + for Schief. Howev, setting that aside, just losing Strome does NOT provide cap for Scheif or any other add in trade on the books next season.
Zib + Fox = almost 12m new cap.
Moving AND NOT REPLAC ING Strome, Geo, Hajek, Nemeth + recovery of Hank's 1.5 buyout is close enuf and we can opt to sign one less guy like McKegg to cover JUST THAT.
We already may have to move Lindgren 3 x 3 to have down payment scratch for increases to LaF, Kakko, etc.
So until Triouba can be moved 2 seasons hence if not sooner, we have ZERO room to add people. ZERO.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

If Winnipeg were interested in moving Scheifele, they would get much better offers than Lafreniere.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Seems like a good hearted attempt to be fair, but no, this does not work for NY.
Overriding issue is upside of LaF, which many of us suspect is just a matter of him developing NHL level skating, keep moving his legs properly, etc.; we think he is otherwise already close to breaking out if/when that aspect of his game emerges.
The other thing is cap.
A more appealing deal for NY would be Strome + for Schief. Howev, setting that aside, just losing Strome does NOT provide cap for Scheif or any other add in trade on the books next season.
Zib + Fox = almost 12m new cap.
Moving AND NOT REPLAC ING Strome, Geo, Hajek, Nemeth + recovery of Hank's 1.5 buyout is close enuf and we can opt to sign one less guy like McKegg to cover JUST THAT.
We already may have to move Lindgren 3 x 3 to have down payment scratch for increases to LaF, Kakko, etc.
So until Triouba can be moved 2 seasons hence if not sooner, we have ZERO room to add people. ZERO.

I think the issue is Laf's upside is about where Schiefele is as a player. You are trading potential and cap space for a proven really consistent 1C

 

[DaveMatthew]

Seems like a good hearted attempt to be fair, but no, this does not work for NY.
Overriding issue is upside of LaF, which many of us suspect is just a matter of him developing NHL level skating, keep moving his legs properly, etc.; we think he is otherwise already close to breaking out if/when that aspect of his game emerges.
The other thing is cap.
A more appealing deal for NY would be Strome + for Schief. Howev, setting that aside, just losing Strome does NOT provide cap for Scheif or any other add in trade on the books next season.
Zib + Fox = almost 12m new cap.
Moving AND NOT REPLAC ING Strome, Geo, Hajek, Nemeth + recovery of Hank's 1.5 buyout is close enuf and we can opt to sign one less guy like McKegg to cover JUST THAT.
We already may have to move Lindgren 3 x 3 to have down payment scratch for increases to LaF, Kakko, etc.
So until Triouba can be moved 2 seasons hence if not sooner, we have ZERO room to add people. ZERO.

Assuming a flat cap next year at $81.5M.

Panarin - $11.6M
Zibanejad - $8.5M
Scheifele - $6.125M
Goodrow - $3.6M
Chytil - $2.3M
Reaves - $1.75M
Hunt - $0.7M
Trouba - $8M
Lindgren - $3M
Nemeth - $2.5M
Fox - $9.5M
Miller - $0.925M
Schneider - $0.925M
Shesterkin - $5.7M

Total for 7 forwards, 6 defensemen and 1 goalie: $65M

Leaves 16M for the rest of the roster, which seems doable.

I'd get not wanting to do the trade because you think Lafreniere is going to break out, which certainly could happen. But if it does, he's going to ask for $6M+ on his next deal, which is a year away. So the cap implications would be the same, basically.