Confirmed Trade: [NYR/VAN] JT Miller, Erik Brannstrom, Jackson Dorrington for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, 2025 1st round pick (top 13 protected)

[UrbanImpact]

I thought Mancini was good in pre-season and for the first part of the season with NYR and then his play tailed off a little bit, and he was average/good in the AHL.

A wild stretch to say he will be better than Schneider, who has 4 solid NHL seasons under his belt. And is only 8 months older than Mancini. Schneider is a significantly, significantly more valuable piece.

I dont disagree that Schneider is the more valuable piece now, and this is just based on my opinion from what ive seen of Schneider vs what i think Mancini can become.

I feel Schneider is very safe and reliable. Tough for sure. but i see everything he does , Mancini can do but the separating factor will be Mancini's skating and offensive instinct. I see Schneider as a stay at home Dman and Mancini as a 2way Dman.

My disappointment of not trading for Schneider is quickly going away each shift I watch Mancini play. but like you said tho, could just be adrenaline, and Mancini will have to show he can play this way consistently

 

[nowhereman]

Lol clueless people still think it was EP40 vs JT Miller and it had to be one or the other.

The fact that the Canucks are still evaluating things with EP40 before his no movement kicks in on July1 should be enough common sense for people to understand that it wasnt JT Miller vs EP40.

Miller and EP40 have played and excelled together for 6 seasons. Nothing changed this year except Miller wanted out and quit on the team, got suspended for 10 games, team called it "personal leave". Meanwhile both parties expressed interest in JT needed a change.

If Canucks moved Pettersson, nothing changes with Miller.....He still wanted out and Canucks would have moved him out too.

Just watch some of the last game Miller played for the Canucks vs Nasville and or LA etc....guy looked like he was playing beer league hockey. He quit on the Canucks.

Miller didn't just wake up one day and decide to give up on the organization/team/market. This was a guy who claimed the experience of last year's reception in the playoffs was only superseded by the birth of his child and his wedding. Something major happened and, by all accounts, the Pettersson issue and everything surrounding it was the root cause. And, if some of the rumblings are true, both players are to blame for how bad the situation got. Things may not have been mendable after all that went down but no one truly knows what happened or whether the relationship could have been salvaged.

All I know is that, whatever window the Canucks had is closed and we're left hoping a mercurial 11.6m player can figure his shit out, before this organization slips into purgatory.

 

[Sky04]

Lol clueless people still think it was EP40 vs JT Miller and it had to be one or the other.

The fact that the Canucks are still evaluating things with EP40 before his no movement kicks in on July1 should be enough common sense for people to understand that it wasnt JT Miller vs EP40.

Miller and EP40 have played and excelled together for 6 seasons. Nothing changed this year except Miller wanted out and quit on the team, got suspended for 10 games, team called it "personal leave". Meanwhile both parties expressed interest in JT needed a change.

If Canucks moved Pettersson, nothing changes with Miller.....He still wanted out and Canucks would have moved him out too.

Just watch some of the last game Miller played for the Canucks vs Nasville and or LA etc....guy looked like he was playing beer league hockey. He quit on the Canucks.

lol stop making excuses for the crybaby at 11.6M, sorry Miller wanted to hold that soft ass team accountable and instead they just cried more. The only clueless people here are the ones who don't see that, otherwise the Canucks would've improved after Miller left instead they suck even worse.

 

[Raistlin]

Miller didn't just wake up one day and decide to give up on the organization/team/market. This was a guy who claimed the experience of last year's reception in the playoffs was only superseded by the birth of his child and his wedding. Something major happened and, by all accounts, the Pettersson issue and everything surrounding it was the root cause. And, if some of the rumblings are true, both players are to blame for how bad the situation got. Things may not have been mendable after all that went down but no one truly knows what happened or whether the relationship could have been salvaged.

All I know is that, whatever window the Canucks had is closed and we're left hoping a mercurial 11.6m player can figure his shit out, before this organization slips into purgatory.

let me establish that Miller has mental health issues, it was confirmed by many sources, that played greatly into how his year turned out. I think the city of Vancouver is one of the reasons, and that is a personal opinion.

The plus side is that the 11.6 million dollar player is finding his way out of the slump. All is not lost if Chytil finds his way back....BIG BIG ask, the window is not closed as long as there is adequate management, but its severely weakened because of Demko's uncertain future more than losing Miller. This July will tell a lot what happens to the window.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

If Mancini becomes a stud top 4 Dman like he is flashing to becoming.....and NYR misses the playoffs this year and next and that 1st rounder becomes lottery,

this has a chance to be one of the biggest disaster trades in history for NYR.

Canucks would have Mancini Chytil and M. Petterson to show for it but they will take flak for trading that lottery pick away as well. Not as much as NYR will tho for a 32 yr old Miller.


*ahem Ahem* Gavin Mckenna- 7 point game the other night- 38 game point streak *Ahem Ahem*

That sounds like a pipe dream. Rangers probably are the favorite to make it this year. This is about as bad of a year that we could’ve had as virtually all our players have had down years. Hard to see them being EVEN WORSE next season.

People always dream up these scenarios about these conditional picks that could end up being unprotected and it’s happened like once or twice in the last 15 years where it’s happened as people draw up.

 

[Slats432]

“I definitely come off as angry,” Miller told lohud.com, part of the USA TODAY Network, from a locker stall at Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, Minn. “People may not like that, but I don't really give a [expletive] what they think.”

 

[UrbanImpact]

That sounds like a pipe dream. Rangers probably are the favorite to make it this year. This is about as bad of a year that we could’ve had as virtually all our players have had down years. Hard to see them being EVEN WORSE next season.

People always dream up these scenarios about these conditional picks that could end up being unprotected and it’s happened like once or twice in the last 15 years where it’s happened as people draw up.

When its a physical sports like hockey, a season can go down the drain ultra fast.

Canucks season has been in shambles because Hughes, Hronek, Demko etc have all missed significant time.


Trust me tho, im not cheering against the Rangers. I dont want the Canucks to look stupid for having traded a lottery pick.

 

[nowhereman]

let me establish that Miller has mental health issues, it was confirmed by many sources, that played greatly into how his year turned out. I think the city of Vancouver is one of the reasons, and that is a personal opinion.

The plus side is that the 11.6 million dollar player is finding his way out of the slump. All is not lost if Chytil finds his way back....BIG BIG ask, the window is not closed as long as there is adequate management, but its severely weakened because of Demko's uncertain future more than losing Miller. This July will tell a lot what happens to the window.

Who has confirmed that JT Miller has a mental health disorder? How could that sort of information get out to the public without it being a severe breach of patient/physician confidentiality?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

When its a physical sports like hockey, a season can go down the drain ultra fast.

Canucks season has been in shambles because Hughes, Hronek, Demko etc have all missed significant time.


Trust me tho, im not cheering against the Rangers. I dont want the Canucks to look stupid for having traded a lottery pick.

Anything can happen in a negative sense, but it’s usually not that it happens twice.

The point you are missing is that this is basically the negative “anything can happen” season. I find it hard to believe that it can get worse, but I guess we’ll see.

 

[Raistlin]

Who has confirmed that JT Miller has a mental health disorder? How could that sort of information get out to the public without it being a severe breach of patient/physician confidentiality?

Allvin and Rutherford both confirmed it, our local sports radio confirmed it. Jeff Marek confirmed it on one of his episodes, thats just on top of my head.

MSN

this is from his own mouth, its as close to confirming as you can get from him. I mention this in response to you saying "Miller didn't just wake up one day and decide to give up on the organization/team/market." - Its not a one day thing, many factors play into his perception of his time here in Vancouver, lumping it all into just his rocky relationship with Pettersson is facile.

 

[nowhereman]

Allvin and Rutherford both confirmed it, our local sports radio confirmed it. Jeff Marek confirmed it on one of his episodes, thats just on top of my head.

MSN

this is from his own mouth, its as close to confirming as you can get from him. I mention this in response to you saying "Miller didn't just wake up one day and decide to give up on the organization/team/market." - Its not a one day thing, many factors play into his perception of his time here in Vancouver, lumping it all into just his rocky relationship with Pettersson is facile.

What was their diagnosis?

 

[Raistlin]

What was their diagnosis?

uhhh... tell Brooksie to ask him directly. I'll have the popcorn ready.

 

[Czechboy]

Dear Nucks fans,

I have great news and awful news for you.

Put away EP, don't look at point totals. You will LOVE FIlip Chytil and he is an exceptional player with a great shot, tremendous IQ and a great work ethic!

He is also one normal hit away from LTIRetirement and I would have never traded for him despite how amazing he is.

I hope I'm dead wrong because he's amazing but this ends poorly for the Nucks IM very controversial O.

It has aged, unfortunately, very well.

 

[JKG33]

Lol clueless people still think it was EP40 vs JT Miller and it had to be one or the other.

The fact that the Canucks are still evaluating things with EP40 before his no movement kicks in on July1 should be enough common sense for people to understand that it wasnt JT Miller vs EP40.

Miller and EP40 have played and excelled together for 6 seasons. Nothing changed this year except Miller wanted out and quit on the team, got suspended for 10 games, team called it "personal leave". Meanwhile both parties expressed interest in JT needed a change.

If Canucks moved Pettersson, nothing changes with Miller.....He still wanted out and Canucks would have moved him out too.

Just watch some of the last game Miller played for the Canucks vs Nasville and or LA etc....guy looked like he was playing beer league hockey. He quit on the Canucks.

I mean i dont blame him for quitting on that loser team. When the teams highest paid player is out there half assing it, and is also apparently a protected class that cant take any criticism without curling up into a ball with his blanky...

 

[The don godfather]

Hopefully chytll will be ok I think hes gonna explode in Vancouver when he hits his stride.

 

[Jay26]

Miller didn't just wake up one day and decide to give up on the organization/team/market. This was a guy who claimed the experience of last year's reception in the playoffs was only superseded by the birth of his child and his wedding. Something major happened and, by all accounts, the Pettersson issue and everything surrounding it was the root cause. And, if some of the rumblings are true, both players are to blame for how bad the situation got. Things may not have been mendable after all that went down but no one truly knows what happened or whether the relationship could have been salvaged.

All I know is that, whatever window the Canucks had is closed and we're left hoping a mercurial 11.6m player can figure his shit out, before this organization slips into purgatory.

This, exactly. Miller didn't just quit for any stupid reason. That's not who he is, even if he can take things a little too far emotionally or whatever.

 

[Breakers]

Richardson warned Vancouver against this point blank to Alvin in 2022 when they had 3 centers

He said don’t have younger guys around Miller he is too emotional and gets off the rails too easily, (those were his words)
A Veteran laden team can get him on track, and straighten him out BUT Horvat and Pettersson can’t do it. They dont have the personalities or demeanor to do it.

They didn’t listen to that advice

Sure enough he was right

 

[Sky04]

This, exactly. Miller didn't just quit for any stupid reason. That's not who he is, even if he can take things a little too far emotionally or whatever.

There's an interview with Miller in one of his first years there where he says the Canucks locker room is significantly different and more immature than the ones he was coming from, New York and Tampa who were veteran contender teams. No accountability what so ever, and year's later it didn't change, no wonder he got upset.

 

[Sky04]

Richardson warned Vancouver against this point blank to Alvin in 2022 when they had 3 centers

He said don’t have younger guys around Miller he is too emotional and gets off the rails too easily. A Veteran laden team can get him on track and Horvat and Pettersson can’t do it.

They didn’t listen to that advice

Sure enough he was right

Pettersson can't get his own ass on track, 50 point 11.6M center lmao

 

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Pettersson can't get his own ass on track, 50 point 11.6M center lmao

50 point Center who has the intangibles he does, is 100 percent worth 11.6 million with the rising cap

 

[Sky04]

50 point Center who has the intangibles he does, is 100 percent worth 11.6 million with the rising cap

The intangibles to sink a team and end their window in just 1.5 years.

 

[bossram]

Lol no, Miller was not "confirmed" to have mental health issues. Literally no one from Miller's camp or the club has said this. If it was, he would have been put in the Player Assistance program or "medical leave", not forced to take an unexplained leave of absence. Why are people talking out of their ass?

The only decently substantiated rumours we have are that Miller was involved in enough incidents with members of the team and staff that they basically told him to go away and chill out.

 

[bossram]

There's an interview with Miller in one of his first years there where he says the Canucks locker room is significantly different and more immature than the ones he was coming from, New York and Tampa who were veteran contender teams. No accountability what so ever, and year's later it didn't change, no wonder he got upset.

Interesting both those teams (and later VAN) booted him for being immature and a hothead then, eh?

 

[bossram]

This, exactly. Miller didn't just quit for any stupid reason. That's not who he is, even if he can take things a little too far emotionally or whatever.

Miller has caused conflicts with his teammates throughout every stop in his career. That is exactly who he is.

 

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The intangibles to sink a team and end their window in just 1.5 years.

I mean he literally deked Brock Faber a week and a half ago