Actually, he’s been quite good since they changed the pairings.lol brother I know exactly what Trouba is. He's an okay player. He isn't a force. At literally anything. Even Rangers fans will tell you the same thing.
It depends on when bonus is paid.Bro, it literally says this in the message you are quoting :
( Utah adds $5.4515m in cap, but only $0.3875m actual dollars )
Almost all of Marner's actual money that he gets paid is paid to him on July 1st, and then he gets the final $775,000 (less than 1 million) paid to him throughout the season. Leafs wait until July 1st, pay Marner almost all of his actual money, and then later that day, they trade him to New York via Utah. Utah pays Marner less than $400,000 actual money, and Rangers pay Marner less than $400,000 actual money.
Do many teams put signing bonuses into contracts that are paid after July 1st? I could understand June or the first day of July, but September seems like you're just handcuffing yourself in case you have to deal the contract later. Also, Toronto is a rich team will money to spare. Why wouldn't they just give Marner his money nice and early? Makes no difference to them. Really confused about why teams would opt for September dates.It depends on when bonus is paid.
You can't make s trade against 25_35 cap and getting say 24 picks. It must be done after the bonus I'd paid.
Not all pay dated are july 1. Some are sept dates
Maybe. Who really knows.
But in this case...i'd think that Marner might just prefer, "Not Toronto" over most other places. That's a city and fanbase that is turning on a guy in a huge way. In a hockey crazed market. That might not be such a fun place to be anymore for a guy who is landing as the biggest scapegoat for a decade of failure and playoff futility.
And since we're totally just speculating and guessing anyway...i could see Marner actually enjoying a nice little reprieve from a fishbowl market, going to a place like Utah where, they'll be more in the spotlight than they were in Arizona...but the pressure and scrutiny is going to be very different there, compared to Toronto. And frankly, Marner doesn't strike me as nearly such a "Big City Lights" NYC state of mind type personality anyway.
Also just totally redundant to the Rangers when they've already got the much much better version of him in Bread Man.
Utah politely declines.Crouse + McBain + Doan for Marner
Oleksiak + Gourde + Wright for Marner
Trade comes with negotiated extension.
Utah is there to absorb cap space for a 1st, they aren't getting Marner in this wacky tradeValue aside, Marner doesn't mesh with Bill Armstrong's vision and what he is building.
That's a good woman. Here you go honey put my $300 in our savings account. What's it up to now - $50 million?Zero chance Trouba waives to Canada. He's made it very clear that he wants to play somewhere his wife can actually do her job (nurse/doctor).
Also Utah isn't a cap dump team anymore, they also only have 2 retention slots and probably aren't going to use one on a guy they don't own.
A middle six winger, a fourth line centre and a prospect they have an abundance of for an elite forward? Pretty sure Utah would take it and runUtah politely declines.
I did say politely.A middle six winger, a fourth line centre and a prospect they have an abundance of for an elite forward? Pretty sure Utah would take it and run
They've picked 6 times in the first round in the past 3 years... They have a deep prospect pool. As far as the money goes, I don't see why not. They have the cap space and he's the type of player that could put asses in seats. This is a new hockey market, they're probably going to want to make a big splashI did say politely.
GM Armstrong is building a big, physical, mean team. Crouse and McBain are huge parts of that identity. Disagree they have an abundance of prospects like Doan. Doan is NHL ready and showed well the end of the season.
And then there is the $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Just cant see paying Marner the money he will command.
Of course I do not know whether the team/owner actually care about his salary. I look at the team salary structure and see Marner will command almost double the current highest paid / best player on the team (Keller) and worry that destroys the structure.They've picked 6 times in the first round in the past 3 years... They have a deep prospect pool. As far as the money goes, I don't see why not. They have the cap space and he's the type of player that could put asses in seats. This is a new hockey market, they're probably going to want to make a big splash
Players typically use other players around the league as their comparables regardless of they're teammates or not. In all likelihood he'll be asking for north of 10 million on his next contract. I also don't think management is concerned with that cause he still has 4 more years left.Of course I do not know whether the team/owner actually care about his salary. I look at the team salary structure and see Marner will command almost double the current highest paid / best player on the team (Keller) and worry that destroys the structure.
I agree the OP definitely was taking a shot.And yet people feel the need to still post useless shit just to take a shot at the leafs.
He's making the money no matter what. Just because he values that she doesn't want to be a complete leech doesn't give you the right to bash that decision. He got the NTC for a reason and has every right to exercise itUtah is there to absorb cap space for a 1st, they aren't getting Marner in this wacky trade
That's a good woman. Here you go honey put my $300 in our savings account. What's it up to now - $50 million?
I'm a Leafs and Penguins fan that follows all 32 teams. Lol...I agree the OP definitely was taking a shot.
Safe to say, the days of sending Cap Space to Franchise #32, have come to an end.Deal done on/after July 1st
(for Trouba NTC/NMC purposes and Marner signing bonus purposes)
to New York Rangers
Mitch Marner (50% retain by Utah) [ 1y @ $5.4515m ]
Timothy Liljegren [ RFA ]
( Rangers receive approx $2.0m to $3.0m in cap space )
to Toronto Maple Leafs
Kaapo Kakko [ RFA ]
Jacob Trouba [ 2y @ $8.0m ]
( Toronto receives approx $2.0m to $3.0m in cap space )
( Utah may be required to dump contract - worst ELC minor leaguer - to TOR maybe ? )
to Utah Raptors
2025 NYR 1st Round Pick
( Utah adds $5.4515m in cap, but only $0.3875m actual dollars )
( NYR may be required to dump contract - worst ELC minor leaguer - to Utah maybe ? )
Even if a team says "we're not going to take cap dumps for draft picks and prospects anymore", we're talking about a team with 40 million dollars in cap space taking on only 1 single year of a salary dump, having to pay less than 10% of that in actual dollars, and getting a 1st round draft pick for doing it. If there's every going to be a situation where you make an exception, this is as good as any. Almost any team in the league that had $40 million in cap space would consider taking on $5 million cap hit for one year while paying less than $400,000 in dollars in exchange for a 1st round pick. Lottery team, playoff team, contender, any of them. It's just really good asset management. The only reason this rarely ever happens is because teams never have 40 million dollars in cap space.Safe to say, the days of sending Cap Space to Franchise #32, have come to an end.
The deal is dead when you add Trouba, he picked his team, and wouldnt leave.Deal done on/after July 1st
(for Trouba NTC/NMC purposes and Marner signing bonus purposes)
to New York Rangers
Mitch Marner (50% retain by Utah) [ 1y @ $5.4515m ]
Timothy Liljegren [ RFA ]
( Rangers receive approx $2.0m to $3.0m in cap space )
to Toronto Maple Leafs
Kaapo Kakko [ RFA ]
Jacob Trouba [ 2y @ $8.0m ]
( Toronto receives approx $2.0m to $3.0m in cap space )
( Utah may be required to dump contract - worst ELC minor leaguer - to TOR maybe ? )
to Utah Raptors
2025 NYR 1st Round Pick
( Utah adds $5.4515m in cap, but only $0.3875m actual dollars )
( NYR may be required to dump contract - worst ELC minor leaguer - to Utah maybe ? )
I said she was a good woman.He's making the money no matter what. Just because he values that she doesn't want to be a complete leech doesn't give you the right to bash that decision. He got the NTC for a reason and has every right to exercise it
NYR probably can't afford to re-sign Trouba now in 2026. Lindgren and Schneider get raises this summer and then Miller gets a raise the summer after that. Trouba is just there until his contract is up. Marner would be the same idea but 2025 UFA instead of 2026. A quality player to provide scoring depth to a cup contender that won't be there beyond their contract. Liljegren would be there to be the third pairing RHD to at least start the season, and then perhaps be a trade asset later on if he doesn't seem like a good fit for the Rangers moving forward. Cup contenders need depth players and trade chips.reason for NYR to pay so much
for 1 year of a guy they can't afford to re-sign
plus a decent but easy-to-replace young-ish d-man