Value of: NYR & SJ

[NikolaTesla]

@weastern bias You act like the current situation in NY is perfect and that players wants to stay there. Im sure he would waive for plenty other teams that aren't completely dysfunctional.

#2 pick in a weak draft isn't worth as much as you think.

 

[ThePlanet]

Sharks have enough elite forward depth they can absorb those trades.

Adding Adam Fox to their roster would be an incredible upgrade.

"You've got $10, Michael. Just buy the banana."

 

[weastern bias]

@weastern bias You act like the current situation in NY is perfect and that players wants to stay there. Im sure he would waive for plenty other teams that aren't completely dysfunctional.

#2 pick in a weak draft isn't worth as much as you think.

I reiterate, Adam Fox, especially with a full NMC, has less trade value than Quinn Hughes, please refute this

I'm not saying NYR is a good situation, I never even alluded to it, in fact I think it's one of the worst team situations in the league, but Fox manufactured his path to get there and has not said he has any plans to leave and he has full contractual trade protections for the immediate moment, until we hear otherwise I will assume he wants to stay

 

[Grinner]

@weastern bias You act like the current situation in NY is perfect and that players wants to stay there. Im sure he would waive for plenty other teams that aren't completely dysfunctional.

#2 pick in a weak draft isn't worth as much as you think.

Then why have you got a multitude of fans of various teams fantasizing over obtaining the #2 pick?

 

[NikolaTesla]

I reiterate, Adam Fox, especially with a full NMC, has less trade value than Quinn Hughes, please refute this

Thats not really how it works. Theres too many variables to say "if player X cant net Y then player Z won't net W".

If Sean monahan can net a 1st, then Quinn should have net 5x 1st, yet he didn't. Different year = different trade market.

Also, not many teams actually had the cap space to take Quinn. The huge increase to the cap changes the market completely. You go from a market where all the teams have zero cap space to suddenly having tons of space. There WILL be bidding wars.

And as I said, the situation with the rangers probably makes many players wants to leave. When Fox signed that NMC, the rangers were good, they weren't on the verge of a full rebuild. I don't think Fox wants to spend all his prime years there anymore.

 

[Patty Ice]

I doubt Dickinson is ever going to be as good as Hronek. And Hronek is a very good top pair D in my book, somewhere in that 20th - 40th best D range.

How about you let Dickinson develop a bit before making such a declaration. Hronek has a near decade of development on him.

BDE has the draft pedigree and superior physical traits so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he exceeds Hronek.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Then why have you got a multitude of fans of various teams fantasizing over obtaining the #2 pick?

Why do you think that San Jose and Chicago are trying to trade their #2 / #4 this year? This year's draft isn't all that great.

 

[Patty Ice]

San Jose fans undervalue Fox so much its hilarious.

I don't think that #2 this year has the ceiling, even if everything goes perfect, to be as good as Fox.

Then tell your peoples to stop proposing him for the 2 OA if he's better than who the Sharks can draft. We don't need the charity.

Why do you think that San Jose and Chicago are trying to trade their #2 / #4 this year? This year's draft isn't all that great.

Is that a fact or just reports? Grier has said multiple times even during Celebrini's draft year he is open to hear offers that's about it.

 

[weastern bias]

Thats not really how it works. Theres too many variables to say "if player X cant net Y then player Z won't net W".

If Sean monahan can net a 1st, then Quinn should have net 5x 1st, yet he didn't. Different year = different trade market.

And as I said, the situation with the rangers probably makes many players wants to leave. When Fox signed that NMC, the rangers were good, they weren't on the verge of a full rebuild. I don't think Fox wants to spend all his prime years there anymore.

It's quite literally how it works when comparing players at the same position that are being traded at a moment with no urgency, as opposed to moves approaching the trade deadline with a bidding war like your Monahan comparison

 

[Grinner]

Why do you think that San Jose and Chicago are trying to trade their #2 / #4 this year? This year's draft isn't all that great.

Trying to trade? Or simply 2 GM's who gave the rote answer to a rote question?

 

[themelkman]

@weastern bias You act like the current situation in NY is perfect and that players wants to stay there. Im sure he would waive for plenty other teams that aren't completely dysfunctional.

#2 pick in a weak draft isn't worth as much as you think.

Fox is a bit of an odd case given he forced his way to NY specifically, who knows if his attitude on that has changed at all, he may still love being in the city.

 

[themelkman]

Trying to trade? Or simply 2 GM's who gave the rote answer to a rote question?

There's a big difference in trying vs willing to trade. One implies it being worth less value

 

[majormajor]

How about you let Dickinson develop a bit before making such a declaration. Hronek has a near decade of development on him.

BDE has the draft pedigree and superior physical traits so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he exceeds Hronek.

You're going to blow the first five years of Celebrini's career with a sub-standard D group and at the end of it Dickinson is still going to be a step down from Hronek. He doesn't have enough puck smarts to be a top guy.

That would be GM malpractice. They need to go get an NHL D corps starting now.

 

[Patty Ice]

You're going to blow the first five years of Celebrini's career with a sub-standard D group and at the end of it Dickinson is still going to be a step down from Hronek. He doesn't have enough puck smarts to be a top guy.

That would be GM malpractice. They need to go get an NHL D corps starting now.

Are we? Tell me more of the future Monsieur Nostradamus.

 

[Kupo]

Sharks 2OA + a pick or prospect or two for Rag’s 5OA + Fox.

So the difference in value between pick #2 and pick #5 is a prospect and Fox? How absurdly high were you when this ridiculous idea came to your mind?

 

[smoneil]

The Rangers subforum was literally full of people suggesting Misa for Panarin around the trade deadline. Every time I searched “Misa” like 25% of the posts were from the Rangers’ subforum.

Speculation: Post in thread 'Roster/Trade Thread: Panarin being held out of line-up. (Sell, Sell, Sell, Edition)'

Jan 29, 2026

Misa is not anywhere within the realm of realistic lol you guys need to stop hyping this up

All it’s going to do is lead to disappointment

For Panarin, no. For Panarin and Schneider? I absolutely expect value at that level.

• Gardner McKay

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Speculation: Post in thread 'Roster/Trade Thread: Panarin being held out of line-up. (Sell, Sell, Sell, Edition)'

Jan 29, 2026

rangers trade:
panarin extended 11x4, rangers retaining 2.5m
schneider

rangers receive:
C michael misa
later of 2026 1st
D shakir mukhamadulin

Not enough if packaging both

• mrmovies779

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Friedman: Post in thread 'The Panarin Mega thread (All proposals here) - NYR to hold him out of the lineup throughout Olympic break'

Feb 1, 2026

To NYR:
2026 EDM 1st
2026 COL 2nd
2027 SJ 4th
Quentin Musty
Shakir Mukhamadullin
Philipp Kurashev

To SJ:
Artemi Panarin (4x12.5 extension)
Braden Schneider

Would the Rangers do this? Would Washington or Florida beat this offer (taking Schneider out of the equation)?

Rangers need more center depth. Misa would need to be included for a signed Panarin.

• RangersFan1994

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I could keep going.

You literally showed three posts that were offering Panarin (re-signed and with retention in one) AND Schneider. Not one of those posts was demanding Misa for Panarin straight up.

I'm assuming (since nobody, the NYR management included, knew about it until the DAY of the roster lockdown) that these posts were made before Panarin revealed that he would only approve a trade to one team. Panarin also seemed like a MUCH better fit for SJ than LA, and that whole thing (Panarin's decision making and timeline for trade) went off the rails quickly.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Fox is a bit of an odd case given he forced his way to NY specifically, who knows if his attitude on that has changed at all, he may still love being in the city.

Yeah I agree its hard to know for sure. Him being a professionnal athlete I assume he would like a chance at the cup during his prime years though, which won't happen anytime soon in NY.

 

[Cas]

San Jose fans undervalue Fox so much its hilarious.

I don't think that #2 this year has the ceiling, even if everything goes perfect, to be as good as Fox.

How good the player is is not and never has been the point.

The point is how valuable is the asset, which is only somewhat connected to the player's value in terms of actual ice hockey.

 

[NikolaTesla]

It's quite literally how it works when comparing players at the same position that are being traded at a moment with no urgency, as opposed to moves approaching the trade deadline with a bidding war like your Monahan comparison

Quinn was traded at the DL when no team had the cap to absorb his contract. This summer the cap greatly increase and if the Rangers wants to trade Fox there will be a huge bidding war. As I said, the market will be completely different.

 

[weastern bias]

Quinn was traded at the DL when no team had the cap to absorb his contract. This summer the cap greatly increase and if the Rangers wants to trade Fox there will be a huge bidding war. As I said, the market will be completely different.

Quinn Hughes was traded in December

 

[NikolaTesla]

How good the player is is not and never has been the point.

The point is how valuable is the asset, which is only somewhat connected to the player's value in terms of actual ice hockey.

Yes....... and Fox is a top 5 puck moving d in the league in his prime. Top 7 at worst. Good defensively on top of that. Thats worth more than a #2 pick in an average draft class.

 

[weastern bias]

You literally showed three posts that were offering Panarin (re-signed and with retention in one) AND Schneider. Not one of those posts was demanding Misa for Panarin straight up.

I'm assuming (since nobody, the NYR management included, knew about it until the DAY of the roster lockdown) that these posts were made before Panarin revealed that he would only approve a trade to one team. Panarin also seemed like a MUCH better fit for SJ than LA, and that whole thing (Panarin's decision making and timeline for trade) went off the rails quickly.

Considering Braden Schneider isn't good that doesn't really make a significant difference in the value of the package

 

[NVious]

I'd do this for SJ if he were open to re-signing and with 50% retention.

I think after they add one of Trouba/Raddysh/Andersson (CPA of around 9 mill, 12 on the high end, 6 on the low end), their window would be wide open.

Overnight they'd add a stud 1D (Fox) and unreal 2D (Raddysh/Andersson)/solid 4D in Trouba. I'd sign Bob 2x8 to mentor Askarov and run a tandem of them. With RFAs signed, this would still leave around 10ish million to play with

I'd say it'd be a pretty nasty upgrade from last year to go to this:

Orlov-Fox
Dickinson-Raddysh/Andersson/Trouba
Ferraro or Cagnoni-Mukhamadullin or Pohlkamp

Bob/Asky

You also add the extra marination to frigging young ass Celebrini/Smith/Graf/Misa/Chernyshov/Eklund, I think it could be a sneaky ass group to outright win the cup.

 

[smoneil]

Considering Braden Schneider isn't good that doesn't really make a significant difference in the value of the package

Schneider would pretty much instantly be one of SJ's best defensemen. And regardless of your opinion on him, that still doesn't change the fact that the other poster claimed that a bunch of Rangers fans expected Misa for Panarin alone (only to show posters offering a package including a young defenseman and an extended Panarin with retention).

There's also the fact that SJ has at least as many dim fans on here expecting to get Fox as the cost of dropping from 2OA to 5OA (which is 10x more absurd than expecting a top prospect for an established top 10 winger).

ALL of which is meaningless because Panarin was never waiving for SJ and Fox isn't looking to leave NY.

 

[weastern bias]

Schneider would pretty much instantly be one of SJ's best defensemen.

That's an incredibly low bar, you're talking about the worst D core in the league

Schneider being in the top half of the SJS depth chart doesn't say anything good about Schneider the player, it says a lot of bad things about the San Jose defense