Claimed off Waivers: [NYR] Rangers claim F Arthur Kaliyev off waivers from the Kings

[SML2]

I want Bread to completely unlock this kid. Just get open son. The Wizard will make the puck appear on your stick.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Another Rob Blake special.

Wouldn’t surprise me to see Kaliyev become another Vilardi debacle.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Kakko to Kaliyev is a sweet upgrade

They were taken in the same draft. Kakko has played 140 more games and has not been a minus plus/minus since his rookie year. He is now playing on the Kraken's top line.

Going back to his days with the USA U20 team Kaliyev was a big, lumbering skater whose best asset was his shot.

They are not close to the same player.

 

[gabevh3]

For those interested, this cost New York $56,250, paid to Los Angeles and not counted against the cap.


Players claimed this season: 21
Total compensation: $608,625

Can you elaborate on this? Didn't know you pay the team you claimed a player from.

 

[Reality Czech]

Honestly, it says a lot about his reputation around the league when so many bottom feeding, offensively starved teams saw him available for free and say, "nah. We're good with Pat Maroon"

You mean a guy who's actually had a successful career?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Are the Rangers allowed to send him to the AHL for a conditioning stint ?

 

[barriers]

Are the Rangers allowed to send him to the AHL for a conditioning stint ?

I can't say definitely but I very much doubt it considering he was on a AHL conditioning stint last week

 

[pld459666]

I can't say definitely but I very much doubt it considering he was on a AHL conditioning stint last week

I believe the player has to agree to the stint.

It may make some sense to get acclimated and accustomed to the Org for a week

 

[Machinehead]

I don't get the Kakko comparison at all.

If Kaliyev snipes the goalie clean once as a Ranger, that will be one more time than Kakko did it.

They're not similar at all.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I don't get the Kakko comparison at all.

If Kaliyev snipes the goalie clean once as a Ranger, that will be one more time than Kakko did it.

They're not similar at all.

 

[Machinehead]

Wow, what a laser.

 

[mm11]

How the mighty have fallen. Rangers on the cusp last year with their quest for the cup. Loaded with offensive, defensive talent plus solid netminder that steps up in the post season. Now, acquiring a waiver dive. Who knows, worth a shot I guess.

 

[TGWL]

I'm not sure I'd call that a snipe. That's a goal scored from a surprised shot right off the faceoff, one that traveled through players on a goalie not expecting a shot to come through. Good to see him shoot that with no hesitation though.

 

[Machinehead]

Loaded with offensive, defensive talent

 

[mm11]

Let's see one of the best play making wingers for a long time, 50 goal scorer power winger, 40 goal sniper center, plus long time vet patrolling other center spot that wins tons of draws, #1 overall pick starting to bloom to name a few offensive weapons. Not to mention Norris trophy offensive defenseman. Yes, loaded.

 

[Machinehead]

Let's see one of the best play making wingers for a long time,

Correct. He has also significantly declined this year.

50 goal scorer power winger,

That was three years ago. He's about to turn 34 and his back is made out of pudding at this point.

40 goal sniper center,

The last time Zibanejad scored 40 goals was five years ago, and that's also arguably the last time he was effective at even strength. His shooting rate has plummeted this year and his one of the least effective regular top six centers in the NHL.

plus long time vet patrolling other center spot that wins tons of draws,

Sure.

#1 overall pick starting to bloom to name a few offensive weapons.

Lafreniere is on pace for 46 points.

Not to mention Norris trophy offensive defenseman.

Yes.

So to summarize, the Rangers have an elite winger and an elite defensemen both having down years, a good 2C, fair enough, probably the worst 1C in the NHL, a decrepit Chris Kreider who is in and out of the lineup because he can barely move, a 45-point JAG who isn't particuarly good at anything (but hey he went 1st overall!), and like two NHL defensemen.

And like, yeah, it would be one thing if everyone just hit a wall, but Rangers fans have been warning about this house of cards roster since 2022, that always lacked depth, and was predicated on good but not gamebreaking talent, all of them in their late primes, and most of them with injury history.

Still, everyone acts surprised because "the roster looks good on paper!" except it doesn't if you look at stats and ignore name recognition.

 

[uncleben]

Can you elaborate on this? Didn't know you pay the team you claimed a player from.

Yeah, you are sort of "buying" the contract from the other team, and each player's waiver price is calculated based on their experience, with the price going down each year.

It's essentially a small compensation to the original club for developing the player they just lost on waivers.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

They just placed Kreider on IR so now it makes even more sense to take a flyer on him.

 

[TGWL]

Let's see one of the best play making wingers for a long time, 50 goal scorer power winger, 40 goal sniper center, plus long time vet patrolling other center spot that wins tons of draws, #1 overall pick starting to bloom to name a few offensive weapons. Not to mention Norris trophy offensive defenseman. Yes, loaded.

First thought was "Ooh, you..", but then I got to the point where this was a serious post.

 

[OysterForever]

Maybe you missed the part where Kakko shot off his mouth and pretty much made himself persona non grata in New York.

That trade had more to do with team discipline and morale than anything else. It had to be dealt with then and there.

Thats part of the equation as well.

Nah didn't miss. For NYR management it's more like FAFO thing. Shouldn't be surprised for what Kakko did when you mistreat your talent pool.

 

[gabevh3]

Yeah, you are sort of "buying" the contract from the other team, and each player's waiver price is calculated based on their experience, with the price going down each year.

It's essentially a small compensation to the original club for developing the player they just lost on waivers.

Is this a recent cba thing?

 

[uncleben]

Is this a recent cba thing?

Been around since 2013 at least, but I believe in the CBA before that, too

 

[Tawnos]

Been around since 2013 at least, but I believe in the CBA before that, too

I was under the impression that the waiver price has been a thing for as long as waivers has been a thing.

 

[gabevh3]

Been around since 2013 at least, but I believe in the CBA before that, too

Then i didn't look into it. Good to know. I guess it's also to keep teams from claiming many lol

 

[mm11]

Correct. He has also significantly declined this year.

That was three years ago. He's about to turn 34 and his back is made out of pudding at this point.

The last time Zibanejad scored 40 goals was five years ago, and that's also arguably the last time he was effective at even strength. His shooting rate has plummeted this year and his one of the least effective regular top six centers in the NHL.

Sure.

Lafreniere is on pace for 46 points.

Yes.

So to summarize, the Rangers have an elite winger and an elite defensemen both having down years, a good 2C, fair enough, probably the worst 1C in the NHL, a decrepit Chris Kreider who is in and out of the lineup because he can barely move, a 45-point JAG who isn't particuarly good at anything (but hey he went 1st overall!), and like two NHL defensemen.

And like, yeah, it would be one thing if everyone just hit a wall, but Rangers fans have been warning about this house of cards roster since 2022, that always lacked depth, and was predicated on good but not gamebreaking talent, all of them in their late primes, and most of them with injury history.

Still, everyone acts surprised because "the roster looks good on paper!" except it doesn't if you look at stats and ignore name recognition.

c'mon brother, a mere 8 months ago the crew was sniffing a stanley cup. All of the above players