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Confirmed with Link: [NYR/NSH] Michael Del Zotto for Kevin Klein

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E Nixson said:
Because he played second pair minutes
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Thats what I was asking, why isnt he a first line guy.

It seems the consensus is, he isnt a first line guy because he cant handle the minutes.

Though I would argue the rangers are in better position than most to not have to force anyone to play lots of minutes
 
I understand the buy low, sell high theory. But we got Kevin Klein. A guy who plays with passion, and his heart on his sleeve. Not a fighter, but will drop the gloves if necessary. Clears creases and can play 18+ minutes a night. If he can find chemistry with Staal or Moore, we will be doing cartwheels over this trade.

Just sending Del Zotto away for nothing would improve our team this year (Addition by subtraction)
I can't believe Del Zotto is Italian, I'm so embarassed.
 
Interesting stat combo here:

What a steal, the rangers get a 2nd Comp Dman that was 23rd in even points last year tied with Chara, Shattenkirk, P. Martin, 45th 2 years ago tied with Suter, Erhoff, Bouwmeester, Petry.

Plus the guy has one of the 20 toughest zone starts in the game. yet gets below the league average for GA. An elite even play dman.
 
As a "moving from here" trade, this actually shows a good bit of planning and foresight. Take reliability over "potential". Balance out the defense R/L. Insurance policy for your UFAs (Girardi & Stralman). Lock up a dependable asset to 34 at a good hit with an increasing cap. Seems smart.

From a "how the hell did we get here" standpoint the approach and handling of the situation looks a lot less rosy. Poor asset management with Del Zotto really any way you slice it, in my opinion.

But as a, "how should we move forward given that we find ourselves here" trade it's hard to dislike it. On what it means for the 2013-14 season, it's hard to dislike it.
 
Fire Sather said:
isnt it amazing how alex goligoski gets james neal AND a replacement defender
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omg shut up. Goligoski when he got traded was playing 10x MDZ's level. admittedly Pittsburgh's roster made him look better than he was and Neiuwyndyk is a universal idiot... but context! MDZ's value is super low and Goligoski's was very high and Neiuwyndyk is a universal idiot. We are talking like Bob Gainey level's of idiocy and we can't expect that type of return every trade.

I like the deal. Sucks that we lose years in the trade but without a doubt, Klein is the best player in the deal so we win. He also fills a roster need as well as a toughness need. Sauer is probably the best comparision as to his style of play. Tough, low points, but damned solid. If he plays with Moore, he will also make Moore look good which is a double bonus. err.... triple bonus.

Don't look down at Nashville for trading Klein either. They had Weber AND Jones on the right side. Ryan Ellis also fighting for ice time. Klein averaged 18:48 a night. He was definitely a big part of their team but they have such good depth on that team opening up his spot puts their team in a better position to get the above mentioned youngster more ice time and help them develop into better players. His contract status is also very pleasing.
 
slipknottin said:
Thats what I was asking, why isnt he a first line guy.

It seems the consensus is, he isnt a first line guy because he cant handle the minutes.

Though I would argue the rangers are in better position than most to not have to force anyone to play lots of minutes
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Weber is right-handed.

Klein is right-handed.

Doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
 
I loved Klein when I lived in Nashville (a couple of seasons ago now). Apparently, he's become a more physical presence since then. My friend in Nashville described him as being a "vicious" fighter.

The cap hit is good.

DZ was the odd man out amongst our lefties.

Klein is a 2nd pair option.

This is a good deal.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
As a "moving from here" trade, this actually shows a good bit of planning and foresight. Take reliability over "potential". Balance out the defense R/L. Insurance policy for your UFAs (Girardi & Stralman). Lock up a dependable asset to 34 at a good hit with an increasing cap. Seems smart.
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great point. You really could lose Girardi at this point and go with Klein, Stralman/UFA, McI down the right next season. Maybe it's not the best lineup but I wouldn't be as tragically worried about our RD situation this summer as I would have been a day ago.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
As a "moving from here" trade, this actually shows a good bit of planning and foresight. Take reliability over "potential". Balance out the defense R/L. Insurance policy for your UFAs (Girardi & Stralman). Lock up a dependable asset to 34 at a good hit with an increasing cap. Seems smart.

From a "how the hell did we get here" standpoint the approach and handling of the situation looks a lot less rosy. Poor asset management with Del Zotto really any way you slice it, in my opinion.

But as a, "how should we move forward given that we find ourselves here" trade it's hard to dislike it. On what it means for the 2013-14 season, it's hard to dislike it.
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Yea, still think you could've gotten more for Del Zotto if it wasn't for the public spat with Vigneault. Gotta keep that stuff in house.
 
So far I have not hard of any concussion history after reading almost 10 + pages . That in itself is a thing to cheer about these days . :nod:
Del Zotto had the tools...just did not have the toolbox . ;)
 
NYR Viper said:
This I agree with. I made a post earlier in the thread saying as much. Where does the offense from the blue-line come from? McDonagh? Then who?

I am hoping they see an opportunity to bring in more offense from the blue-line elsewhere because while I like McIlrath, he isn't going to provide offense either.
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Do you not feel that Moore can provide this as his game progresses? It's an honest question, as Moore providing offense seems to be a theme here, yet how do we know he has that ability?
I do agree with your question. Del Zotto really did not supply that anyway, so right now it appears to be that nothing has changed on that front.
 
slipknottin said:
For like the 4th time, I wasent asking why he wasent for the Preds.

I was asking why he COULDNT be for the rangers
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I would say he could be. I would be down for the previously mentioned McD-Klein Staal-Girardi (reunion!) Moore-Stralman combo but that really won't happen anytime soon.
 
n8 said:
I would say he could be. I would be down for the previously mentioned McD-Klein Staal-Girardi (reunion!) Moore-Stralman combo but that really won't happen anytime soon.
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Im more curious if Girardi isnt back next year, either trade or didnt resign.
 
trilobyte said:
Do you not feel that Moore can provide this as his game progresses? It's an honest question, as Moore providing offense seems to be a theme here, yet how do we know he has that ability?
I do agree with your question. Del Zotto really did not supply that anyway, so right now it appears to be that nothing has changed on that front.
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The only thing that impresses me about Moore is his skating. Hes got a lot to learn before he can be a consistent contributor -- and Im talking at both ends of the ice.
 
slipknottin said:
And you are missing the point of my question entirely.
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You're asking why Klein isn't a first pair guy when he has great tools. It's his brain. He's not a particularly creative player, so he's not going to give you a ton of points and he's not going to make Staal-type of slick plays to get out of the zone. Very good at making the correct simple play, but nothing beyond that. He's a great skater, but I wouldn't call him a "mobile" defenseman.
 
BlueshirtBlitz said:
An OFD who can put up 40 points when his coach doesn't think playing John ****ing Moorse is a better lineup decision.

See: 2011-2012.
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Cheechoo was capable of scoring 50 goals. See: 05-06. How important is that on assessing him today? How important was it assessing him in 07-08? He was on his way out of the Sharks by that year, much like MDZ. Same time frame, 2-3 years removed from a career year. Only difference is SJ held out for an additional year before letting him go and were probably more hopeful Cheechoo would return to that elite production; MDZ didn't have a superstar season to fall back on. You can only hope for so long before assessing what they're doing today and what they've been doing recently.

Just because MDZ was once upon a time able to put up points 1) doesn't mean it was a sure thing moving forward/that he could replicate it, and 2) maybe the Rangers just weren't a good team for MDZ. If he blossoms somewhere else, maybe that environment is more conducive to his growth than the atmosphere in NY. If he elevates his game in NSH, it doesn't mean that he would have had NY kept him. He wasn't improving here, he was doing the opposite, and I'm glad we got someone who is well regarded around the league.
 
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Tawnos said:
You're asking why Klein isn't a first pair guy when he has great tools. It's his brain. He's not a particularly creative player, so he's not going to give you a ton of points and he's not going to make Staal-type of slick plays to get out of the zone. Very good at making the correct simple play, but nothing beyond that. He's a great skater, but I wouldn't call him a "mobile" defenseman.
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So essentially the rangers have no choice but to resign Girardi.

Stralman + Klein could not make up for the minutes Girardi plays
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
Interesting stat combo here:

What a steal, the rangers get a 2nd Comp Dman that was 23rd in even points last year tied with Chara, Shattenkirk, P. Martin, 45th 2 years ago tied with Suter, Erhoff, Bouwmeester, Petry.

Plus the guy has one of the 20 toughest zone starts in the game. yet gets below the league average for GA. An elite even play dman.
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great stat find!
 
I am loving this trade, especially after del zasters game against the Islanders. Horrible game he had.

When Stralman arrived, no one was thrilled either, and he turned out to be pretty decent player for us, that most of us here would be happy if he signs and stays on.

Klein made a good impression on me when he sent Boyle flying into the end boards this year, and then promptly decked Dorsett in his response to the hit. He is one tough cookie.

I gladly welcome his grit and edgy stay at home style. I think its just what we need.

Moore will benefit, under long term contract, prime of his life, right handed shot, clears the crease, he has alot of qualities we need.

Soon enough he will become a fan favorite.

This might be AV's first real substantial improvement to this team. As he knew this guy playing out west.
 
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