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Confirmed with Link: [NYR/NSH] Michael Del Zotto for Kevin Klein

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I wanted another year for DZ. I still thought his potential upside was worth waiting a bit longer. Oh well ..... Good luck to him.

Return seems acceptable especially if Klein can help steady the defensive side.
 
slipknottin said:
What makes him "girardi-lite"?

You keep saying the same things over and over but not actually explaining anything
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Um, actually I have. Try reading. He plays an incredibly similar game to G. He's not a huge hitter, like G isn't, but he is physical. He has the same number of blocks as G in less games this year. He usually looks for the safe play/clears the puck from danger rather than looks to carry or get fancy with it. He's a warrior who blocks shots and limos to the bench bruised or bleeding without missing a shift. He's very close to being as good as G in all the areas G excels in, but is just a hair below. He skates better. Now **** off.
 
Mint said:
"Sather is so wonderful with trades!!!!"

It's funny because MDZ is a more efficient dman and younger, cheaper contract, etc.
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1; define "efficient." I keep hearing this term from youngsters on this board, as though it was an all encompassing category.

Del Zotto was averaging 17 and a half minutes a game, only :17 seconds a game on the PK. Klein was getting 18+ minutes with 2+ per game on the PK, more than Seth Jones and almost as much as Weber and Josi. He was their #4 in minutes. Last year, he spent more time per game on the PK than Shea Weber 20+ minutes a game overall. He was at or above everyone else in PK toi the 3 seasons before that.

SO unless you are going to laud Del Zotto's offensive prowess...

2: Del Zotto is on a cheaper contract this year. Do you think Nashville is going to lock him up for 4 years at 2.9 million or less? I would doubt it. Since NYR are not at the cap because of this trade, it is a better cap hit in the long run.
 
SERE 24 said:
He's very close to being as good as G in all the areas G excels in, but is just a hair below.
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And you did the same thing again.

Post a bunch of stuff I didnt ask about, then say "he is just like him but not quite as good"

And dont explain why.
 
Klein was traded because Jones is progressing to the point where he needs to be on the 2nd pairing.

Klein's minutes were falling as Jones minutes were rising. Jones can play both sides but plays far better on the right side, Klein, only plays on the right side so something had to give.

The interesting thing will be the left side of the second pairing now. Will it be Ekholm or MDZ?

What do you guys think? Can the Jones-MDZ pairing a solid 2nd pairing? Jones can skate, and has a high IQ but is still prone to some rooking mistakes.
 
Klein is a great stay at home defender; comparable to Fedor Tyutin. Guy is on a great contract and has more heart than anyone in our locker room. I frankly think you won the trade today; Poile is hoping to win the trade several years from now given our team's unquestionable non-contender status currently.

I would do some additional research on Klein before bashing; fans of several teams in the West (EDM in particular) and a handful in the East (e.g. CAR) were clamoring for him.
 
slipknottin said:
And you did the same thing again.

Post a bunch of stuff I didnt ask about, then say "he is just like him but not quite as good"

And dont explain why.
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Explain why Stralman is better. So I can critique your inability to do so. Please? I really would like you to do that before I put you on my ignore list for ever and ever.
 
Cashville said:
Klein is a great stay at home defender; comparable to Fedor Tyutin. Guy is on a great contract and has more heart than anyone in our locker room. I frankly think you won the trade today; Poile is hoping to win the trade several years from now given our team's unquestionable non-contender status currently.

I would do some additional research on Klein before bashing; fans of several teams in the West (EDM in particular) and a handful in the East (e.g. CAR) were clamoring for him.
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Hopefully the trade benefits both teams.

To the previous poster, Del Zotto is best when not feeling pressure. I'd put him with a dependable guy.
 
Trxjw said:
Those people are wrong. Hate to break it to you.
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Trxjw, what people are saying is that Klein a) is better skater than Girardi, (which he is), and b) Klein plays a game similar to Girardi. Just because Klein is a better skater, and plays a similar game to Girardi, it is not a case of a + b = c, (c being Klein is as good as Girardi). From what it sounds like, Girardi actually has more offensive capability than Klein, (since he apparently can handle the puck better), and Girardi can consistently play 25+ minutes a night, which is why, just because Klein is a better skater than Girardi, (as is the rest of the current Ranger D), and plays in a similar defensive manner, a + b does not equal c.
 
so, 75% of the posters don't like the trade but have never heard of the guy....that about sums this place up.
 
Cashville said:
Klein is a great stay at home defender; comparable to Fedor Tyutin. Guy is on a great contract and has more heart than anyone in our locker room. I frankly think you won the trade today; Poile is hoping to win the trade several years from now given our team's unquestionable non-contender status currently.

I would do some additional research on Klein before bashing; fans of several teams in the West (EDM in particular) and a handful in the East (e.g. CAR) were clamoring for him.
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A lot less pressure and distractions down in Nashville should be good for MDZ's development. This trade will be a win-win for sure
 
Vitto79 said:
hey Stralman has done well but the cap is not going to allow him to be resigned. They cant block McIlrath. They are likely going to sign Girardi

McDonaugh, Girardi...........still is a solid shutdown pair

Staal, Klein........this could really help Staal a lot

Moore, Stralman.......now its balanced Lefty/Righty shot

Falk- give the poor guy a conditioning stint lol
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I think they give Moore the more sound defensive player in Klein.

Stralman has played well with Staal (last night not counting) and I could see them looking to give Moore a more stay at home type of partner.
 
jas said:
Trxjw, what people are saying is that Klein a) is better skater than Girardi, (which he is), and b) Klein plays a game similar to Girardi. Just because Klein is a better skater, and plays a similar game to Girardi, it is not a case of a + b = c, (c being Klein is as good as Girardi). From what it sounds like, Girardi actually has more offensive capability than Klein, (since he apparently can handle the puck better), and Girardi can consistently play 25+ minutes a night, which is why, just Klein is a better skater than Girardi, (as is the rest of the current Ranger D), and plays in a similar defensive manner, a + b does not equal c.
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So its more a matter of Klein not being able to handle the minutes?

What if Girardi walks in FA. Or is traded.

Could they not just attempt to roll two lines of

McD + Klein
Staal + Stralman

instead of having one line where both players are getting 25+ minutes?
 
triggrman said:
Klein was traded because Jones is progressing to the point where he needs to be on the 2nd pairing.

Klein's minutes were falling as Jones minutes were rising. Jones can play both sides but plays far better on the right side, Klein, only plays on the right side so something had to give.

The interesting thing will be the left side of the second pairing now. Will it be Ekholm or MDZ?

What do you guys think? Can the Jones-MDZ pairing a solid 2nd pairing? Jones can skate, and has a high IQ but is still prone to some rooking mistakes.
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DZ isn't bright. He had natural offensive ability when he first came up. Those quickly led to too many turnovers and Torts took thinking out of the game for him. He made him block shots, learn how to position himself in a zone defense. AV took that away and asked for thinking from his players. Outlet passing - make the smart pass, make a creative pass. One on one defense - know your responsibility. Chip when you need to, take the right angles when you're alone. Del Zotto struggled with that. He couldn't handle that. To make matters worse, he had lost the confidence in his offense. Torts took that away from him. Vigneault wasn't impressed with what was left.

He'll be a good pick up for you guys if you guys develop him properly. Torts didn't think his future in the NHL was to be a puck moving defenseman. AV didn't think so either.

Not inconceivable that someone can teach him properly but he's not on the right track. I wouldn't expect him to be a 2nd pair defender, at least right away... and he may never become that at this point.
 
triggrman said:
Klein was traded because Jones is progressing to the point where he needs to be on the 2nd pairing.

Klein's minutes were falling as Jones minutes were rising. Jones can play both sides but plays far better on the right side, Klein, only plays on the right side so something had to give.

The interesting thing will be the left side of the second pairing now. Will it be Ekholm or MDZ?

What do you guys think? Can the Jones-MDZ pairing a solid 2nd pairing? Jones can skate, and has a high IQ but is still prone to some rooking mistakes.
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If you guys play a zone collapse MDZ can be fine. He had a rough start to his career. He was a huge liability his rookie season but really ended up figuring it out. Like almost every other Rangers dman, he's had trouble adjusting to AV's system and unfotunately he's the odd man out. He gets a lot of criticism because he never became a great offensive player. However, he does make some really nice stretch passes.

He's a quality player, he'll make you shake your head at times but his defensive game is better than advertised.
 
triggrman said:
Klein was traded because Jones is progressing to the point where he needs to be on the 2nd pairing.

Klein's minutes were falling as Jones minutes were rising. Jones can play both sides but plays far better on the right side, Klein, only plays on the right side so something had to give.

The interesting thing will be the left side of the second pairing now. Will it be Ekholm or MDZ?

What do you guys think? Can the Jones-MDZ pairing a solid 2nd pairing? Jones can skate, and has a high IQ but is still prone to some rooking mistakes.
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I think MDZ and Jones can be a really good pairing, they both skate well enough to get back in position when the other screws up. Don't be surprised if they are a frustrating pair, though. DZ tends to play his best hockey paired with a stay at home guy.
 
I'm a fan of the move. Del Zotto was just the odd man out. I assume Moore will be with Klein and I think that's a great pairing, it'll let Moore take a little more of a risk in the offensive zone with a true stay home guy on the other side.

It also gives us some true right side depth in the event Girardi leaves.
 
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