Proposal: NYR Girardi Raanta --- DRW Howard Jurco
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Unless Girardi is willing to put into writing that he will waive his NMC to be expansion draft eligible I can't see any chance Detroit trades for him unless the Rangers are tossing in a blue chip prospect as well.
Howard can actually still play unlike Girardi and you also want the Wings to throw in a Jurco .
If Howard were on the Rangers he wouldn't get much playing time behind Lindy. Girardi should likely have a bounce back season if he's played like a 4-6 dman. Overpayed yes, but I'm sure he will do better without having to face the top competition.
I'd rather pay a guy (5m +) that's going to be on the ice every night, compared to a backup goalie.
Alternatively, It would depend on Howard's buyout numbers vs Girardi's. I'm not sure what the numbers are.
I'll take that as a complement
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ny should keep stralman and let girardi walk
better yet, let that time machine go a bit earlier
at one point it is thought Ana would have given up the Sens 1st it owned, roughly 11OA, for a Girardi rental.
I think that is the point of the OP . NYR would rather have 14 million in goalies then have Girardi . Saves NYR an extra year on the contract length . Best bet for the NYR is to move him to a team like Arizona , but it going to cost premier assets
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there is min chance he would be selected, unless you did a deal w/LV to pick him, and if you are going there, why not make the deal to pick Ericcson?
It's not completely clear/100% certain but
there is expectation that a NTC kicks in next July 1, which should restrict the current NMC. So upon information and belief G can be traded effective that date, regardless.
However, the expansion is another thing.
Avoiding being forced to put Girardi on a list for selection is the whole point; all of this is just to see if one worthy name can be protected.
Believe it will be enough to have him waive to accept trade to Hockeytown. He may make 1x an exception to Wings, but don't see why he waives complete control of his NMC effectively voiding it.
as to another asset, I am open to a sweetener within reason, but Wings do not have room to take on salary, would have to be pick or prospect not signed.
Again, Raanta is a significant throw in
Ericsson is worse than Girardi, but I would consider something if
a) Ericsson has no NMC
b) thus, we can 'Redden' him in advance of buyout
c) while taking on G's NMC is primary consideration, Ericsson is so bad even still, Det would have to send something to NY, which could be do-able.
My understanding is Ericsson is NTC only.
Feel free to suggest something more specific around Girardi Erricson, we can put the agreed finalist(s) in competition w/Girardi-Howard
The objectives for NY are
* eliminate dealing with NMC by moving it
* deal with residue that is best combo of least immediately damaging while setting up to follow through w/buyouts/trades, etc.
obviously, would have to make it worth a trading partner's while. Thus the add of Raanta.
Grossly overpaid like Girardi, but Howard could be backup for one year, and improve his game under Benoit Allaire, then moved/bought out at less toxic scale than buying out Girardi now.
Adding all that to make 14m in net is not preferable in a vacuum, but given totality of circumstances that exist, would be preferable if it leads to 2 steps backwards 5 forward later
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I don't understand how Girardi is more useful to Detroit than Howard is. Backup goalie is still a role that needs to be filled. Especially with a very young starting goalie.
Raanta isn't a clear upgrade on Howard, and adding Girardi (as a player) doesn't really improve Detroit as they need good dmen, not depth.
So they're getting an extra year of a terrible (arguably worse) contract that needs to be exposed in the expansion draft because ??????
Raanta isn't a clear upgrade on Howard, and adding Girardi (as a player) doesn't really improve Detroit as they need good dmen, not depth.
So they're getting an extra year of a terrible (arguably worse) contract that needs to be exposed in the expansion draft because ??????
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No thank you, No way in the world does Detroit do this. It's pretty bad and doesn't serve a need for us.
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The first step is not including Girardi, and then I'm sure Detroit would work from there..
Girardi isn't going anywhere with his contract and recent play. The best NYR can hope for is for AV to get his head out of his ass and stop the madness of strict man on man defense. I didn't see a single team, that got past the 1st rd, using that defensive system with good reason.
Girardi is a good defensive defenseman... tough, durable and positionally sound when he isn't being asked to chase a forward all around the defensive zone. With all the talk of Girardi and Staal falling off a cliff, it's the terrible coaching system that is the real culprit.
Everybody ends up out of position in the defensive zone... they'll end up with Girardi chasing a guy by the blue line and Zucc batting someone in front of Lundqvist. Then, if they actually get control of the puck, there is zero structure for a breakout because everyone is out of position by then. It's moronic.
I agree DG and MS are overpaid, but they wouldn't be the laughing stock of the league if the coach was able to see the players he has and adapt his system.
Girardi is a good defensive defenseman... tough, durable and positionally sound when he isn't being asked to chase a forward all around the defensive zone. With all the talk of Girardi and Staal falling off a cliff, it's the terrible coaching system that is the real culprit.
Everybody ends up out of position in the defensive zone... they'll end up with Girardi chasing a guy by the blue line and Zucc batting someone in front of Lundqvist. Then, if they actually get control of the puck, there is zero structure for a breakout because everyone is out of position by then. It's moronic.
I agree DG and MS are overpaid, but they wouldn't be the laughing stock of the league if the coach was able to see the players he has and adapt his system.
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There's always a run on defensemen. Larsson for Hall was a perfect example of GMs valuing defense over forwards. Larsson is obviously better than Girardi, but the Rangers won't be asking for Taylor Hall either.
As soon as injuries hit, someone will take Girardi. It may be Girardi for a minor leaguer on a one-way contract to help them afford it better if Girardi does not recover. If he goes back to first pair form, the Rangers will get significant return. Either way, he'll be movable when 10-12 teams are all scrambling to get a defenseman. Howard will never be movable. Girardi could become good or at least solid again. Howard never will because he'll never beat out Lundqvist even if he improves.
As soon as injuries hit, someone will take Girardi. It may be Girardi for a minor leaguer on a one-way contract to help them afford it better if Girardi does not recover. If he goes back to first pair form, the Rangers will get significant return. Either way, he'll be movable when 10-12 teams are all scrambling to get a defenseman. Howard will never be movable. Girardi could become good or at least solid again. Howard never will because he'll never beat out Lundqvist even if he improves.
$5.5AAV for a terrible D who might or might not beat out Ericsson, but is still probably one of the worst Dmen in the NHL, and has one more year beyond Howard's contract, and has to be protected in the expansion draft? Yeah, as a Detroit fan, I can't wait to take that worthless contract/player on.
No part of any of this does anything for Detroit in any way, shape or form. Please keep your trash D, and we'll work on moving Howard with retention next season.
No part of any of this does anything for Detroit in any way, shape or form. Please keep your trash D, and we'll work on moving Howard with retention next season.
Just awful
So much of this proposal is one sided to unload the burden of Girardi to NYR
Is Howards contract bad right now? Yes. Immovable? Likely not, just might need to wait a year
Problem is the offer here is to take a bad contract off Detroits hands in exchange for maybe the worst contract in the NHL (take your pick of Girardi or Dustin Brown).
Not to mention Girardi is just an awful fit for DET.
Detroit has been vocal about needing a top pair dman, which Girardi is far removed from now and is not even top 4 in a puck moving system. The NHL is moving away from stay at home old school dmen who cant move the puck. Hell, half of the detroit fanbase want to desperately get rid of Ericsson for the same reasons Girardi doesnt fit
Also, asking Detroit to throw in Jurco who is a solid bottom 6er on the rise just because Raanta is thrown in really doesnt make sense. Backup goalies are a dime a dozen and while Raanta is a solid backup, hes still a backup nonetheless. Trading an every day solid bottom 6er in Jurco for a guy who might only play 30 games just doesnt make logistical sense, especially since Detroit has Coreau in Grand Rapids ready to be a full time backup in the NHL if they move Howard. They do not need a backup replacement if Howard is moved
So much of this proposal is one sided to unload the burden of Girardi to NYR
Is Howards contract bad right now? Yes. Immovable? Likely not, just might need to wait a year
Problem is the offer here is to take a bad contract off Detroits hands in exchange for maybe the worst contract in the NHL (take your pick of Girardi or Dustin Brown).
Not to mention Girardi is just an awful fit for DET.
Detroit has been vocal about needing a top pair dman, which Girardi is far removed from now and is not even top 4 in a puck moving system. The NHL is moving away from stay at home old school dmen who cant move the puck. Hell, half of the detroit fanbase want to desperately get rid of Ericsson for the same reasons Girardi doesnt fit
Also, asking Detroit to throw in Jurco who is a solid bottom 6er on the rise just because Raanta is thrown in really doesnt make sense. Backup goalies are a dime a dozen and while Raanta is a solid backup, hes still a backup nonetheless. Trading an every day solid bottom 6er in Jurco for a guy who might only play 30 games just doesnt make logistical sense, especially since Detroit has Coreau in Grand Rapids ready to be a full time backup in the NHL if they move Howard. They do not need a backup replacement if Howard is moved
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He's not movable because of his NMC. No team is going to stick themselves with having to protect Girardi and let another defensemen be exposed instead.
and lol at even mentioning Girardi and first pair in the same paragraph
The only place in the league Girardi would play first pair minutes and deployment is Columbus
Eric Sachs
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Here's the problem with this trade -- and you hit on it in your initial justification.
Obviously, NYR doesn't want Howard -- they're not going to spend close to $14m in goal, and even if they did, it wouldn't be for very long. So, somehow the Rangers are going to have to find a way to move him.
So, from the Wings perspective, there's only 2 elements at play -- between Howard and Girardi, who would you rather have until you can find somewhere to trade them? and who is easier to trade?
To me, the answer for Detroit is clearly Howard, so there's really no deal to be made here.
Obviously, NYR doesn't want Howard -- they're not going to spend close to $14m in goal, and even if they did, it wouldn't be for very long. So, somehow the Rangers are going to have to find a way to move him.
So, from the Wings perspective, there's only 2 elements at play -- between Howard and Girardi, who would you rather have until you can find somewhere to trade them? and who is easier to trade?
To me, the answer for Detroit is clearly Howard, so there's really no deal to be made here.
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I know how buyouts work but it still doesn't solve the issue I bought up. Howard helps take some of the load off Mrazek and you can ride whichever goalie is hot so if that is your definition of "carry." I'm not sure if Girardi would be useful in any capacity and is on a worse deal than Howard..... Anyway you sugar coat this proposal it's bad.
