Speculation: NYR & DET working on Jacob Trouba trade (Brooks)

[Vitto79]

Yeah, they have Shesterkin and Quick. The idea is "Trouba has regressed to a 3rd pair defenseman who one could argue is a pylon. He makes $8.0m cap hit for 2 years. We're sending you two cap dump bad contracts with no prospects and MAYBE a draft pick for doing you the favour of taking on Trouba's terrible contract and cap hit".

NYR aren't looking at Husso as a goalie. He's just a negative value contract that they need to take on in order to get rid of Trouba. Then, they quickly move onto the next step, which is "how do we get rid of Husso?". That problem is way easier to solve than "how do we get rid of Trouba?". It's a one year deal for $4.75m. Just buy him out or pay a team a draft pick to take the contract. If you retain 50% on Husso, you can probably do Husso + 5th for a 7th rounder. That's not particularly painful.

OUT - Trouba and 5th rounder
IN - 7th rounder and 7th rounder and MAYBE a pick from DET
NOTE - retaining 50% on Holl (2 years) and 50% on Husso (1 year)

Rangers would just keep Trouba they won’t take that much in dumps

Retaining 2.5 is enough

 

[Tatar Shots]

Rangers would just keep Trouba they won’t take that much in dumps

Retaining 2.5 is enough

Or this will look lopsided like both the Goodrow and Walman moves.

 

[lilidk]

Seider, Trouba, Edvinsson, Chiarot, Maatta, Petry, etc... lot of size there.

Though I wonder if Chiarot or Holl go back the other way for cap purposes.

Holl has no value after last season , maybe Chiarot

 

[lanceuppercut75]

I think Holl being involved just makes too much sense.

Edvinsson - Seider
Maatta - Trouba
Johansson / Petry / Chiarot
injury callup = Wallinder

This looks like an improvement to me.

Maatta and Petry leave next summer.
Trouba and Chiarot leave the summer after that.
Seider Edvinsson Johansson stay for forseeable future.
They are joined soon by Wallinder, Buium and Sandin-Pelikka.

It just.... looks right. To me.
Whatever that's worth. Basically nothing.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Yeah, they have Shesterkin and Quick. The idea is "Trouba has regressed to a 3rd pair defenseman who one could argue is a pylon. He makes $8.0m cap hit for 2 years. We're sending you two cap dump bad contracts with no prospects and MAYBE a draft pick for doing you the favour of taking on Trouba's terrible contract and cap hit".

NYR aren't looking at Husso as a goalie. He's just a negative value contract that they need to take on in order to get rid of Trouba. Then, they quickly move onto the next step, which is "how do we get rid of Husso?". That problem is way easier to solve than "how do we get rid of Trouba?". It's a one year deal for $4.75m. Just buy him out or pay a team a draft pick to take the contract. If you retain 50% on Husso, you can probably do Husso + 5th for a 7th rounder. That's not particularly painful.

OUT - Trouba and 5th rounder
IN - 7th rounder and 7th rounder and MAYBE a pick from DET
NOTE - retaining 50% on Holl (2 years) and 50% on Husso (1 year)

No.....this makes no sense.

DET would not be doing this trade if that's how they valued or saw Trouba.

 

[nbwingsfan]

All of those guys listed below were drafted by Ken Holland. Big difference between letting Hakan Anderson run your draft and Ken Holland relying on his North American scouts.

That doesn’t change a thing that they are complete unknowns and far from “home runs” yet

Debrincat publicly stated I will only sign and play for Detroit...while a great trade...it fell into SYs lsp

That doesn’t make it a fiasco.

 

[Baby Punisher]

Pack your shit, Troubs. You're headed home.

He is heading home but his wife and kid are staying in NYC

 

[deca guard]

Everyone you just listed outside of Seider/Ray is a complete unknown.
How you can say he “hit home runs” on guys who have either not established themselves or even played NHL games yet is beyond me

It wasn’t long ago we thought we have a stacked D prospect pool with Sproul, Ouellette, Kindl and Smith…

https://x.com/i/web/status/1792942207839707339

 

[Vitto79]

Or this will look lopsided like both the Goodrow and Walman moves.

I fully expected Holl back but no retention
For NYR it’s one or the other
Otherwise just keep Trouba
Trading his 8 million for 2 crap contracts that equal around the Same is pointless

 

[lanceuppercut75]

No.....this makes no sense.

DET would not be doing this trade if that's how they valued or saw Trouba.

DET probably thinking that he could still be a so-so #4/#5 guy with their roster, their coach and their system. You typically wouldn't say that out loud in a trade negotiation though. If most teams think Trouba is a pylon with no value, then you pretend that you think the same thing, or almost the same thing. No reason to admit out loud that you think he has value. Then you have to pay value to get him.

 

[bigdog16]

I think Holl being involved just makes too much sense.

Edvinsson - Seider
Maatta - Trouba
Johansson / Petry / Chiarot
injury callup = Wallinder

This looks like an improvement to me.

Maatta and Petry leave next summer.
Trouba and Chiarot leave the summer after that.
Seider Edvinsson Johansson stay for forseeable future.
They are joined soon by Wallinder, Buium and Sandin-Pelikka.

It just.... looks right. To me.
Whatever that's worth. Basically nothing.

Trouba simply cannot play top 4 minutes on any team expecting to push for playoffs. There was a stretch in playoffs where he was on the ice for something like 10 straight goals against. He was fine a couple years ago but it seems that his whole persona changed when he started throwing big hits, and now its all he wants to do.

 

[deca guard]

nyr retain 2.5 + sjs retain 2.5 = trouba & edvinsson red wings 2nd pairing

 

[Baby Punisher]

I like Trouba. I met him at a signing right after he got tue cast off. He couldn't have been nicer. He spoke with my son about tue Stadium Series puck he signed for him, they talked about the game etc..

I don't believe that his game has fallen off a cliff in less than 6 months. I just don't. He has been a solid guy in the locker room well before he was named Captain, and he has been a good captain.

This is a loss for the Rangers. Now Drury will look to replace Trouba with a player like Trouba.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Wow. Detroit fans will be pi-ss-ed

Not really. We need a 2nd pair RD that can take some of Seider’s shutdown minutes. Trouba isn’t half as bad as some fans here claim and is the guy NYR deployed mostly in the d-zone. He’ll likely have Edvinsson as his partner in Detroit as well.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

That doesn’t change a thing that they are complete unknowns and far from “home runs” yet


That doesn’t make it a fiasco.

No 100% not a fiasco whatsoever nor a sign of his managerial magic

 

[Tatar Shots]

I fully expected Holl back but no retention
For NYR it’s one or the other
Otherwise just keep Trouba
Trading his 8 million for 2 crap contracts that equal around the Same is pointless

if the Rangers retain 2.5m and take back Holl, they would clear 5.7m in cap space between Trouba and Goodrow.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

I fully expected Holl back but no retention
For NYR it’s one or the other
Otherwise just keep Trouba
Trading his 8 million for 2 crap contracts that equal around the Same is pointless

The proposal I made earlier in the thread breaks down like this:

24/25 - NYR open $3.9250m in cap space (minus replacement 3RD cap hit)
25/26 - NYR open $6.3000m in cap space (minus replacement 3RD cap hit)
26/27 - Trouba contract is finished. Husso + Holl retention is finished.

It only cost a 5th round pick, and brought back two 7th rounders.

NYR is trying to be a cup contender. They need the cap space. I think it's worth it, and I don't think it's pointless at all. The only good argument I can see against it is if you truly think Trouba is worth getting actual value back for in a trade (not just cap space), and you don't like that this doesn't provide that.

 

[Run the Jewels]

That doesn’t change a thing that they are complete unknowns and far from “home runs” yet

No offense, but I'll take Hakan Andersson's drafting for the past 34 years over your opinion. If you can't tell the difference between his track record and track record of Detroit's North American scouts well then I honestly don't know what to say. Ken Holland gave the majority of his first round picks to his NA scouts and they turned out bangers like Filip Zadina, Joe Veleno, Michael Rasmussen, Dennis Cholowski, Evgeny Svechnikov, Anthony Mantha, Riley Sheahan, Thomas McCollum, Brendan Smith and Jakub Kindl.

Sure, they drafted Dylan Larkin and deserve credit for that pick, but the hit rate is abysmal.

 

[Vitto79]

if the Rangers retain 2.5m and take back Holl, they would clear 5.7m in cap space between Trouba and Goodrow.

What does Goodrow have to do with this ?
He’s on San Jose In a separate move

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Adios muchacho

 

[Canes]

Yzerman is a clown GM

 

[Tatar Shots]

What does Goodrow have to do with this ?
He’s on San Jose In a separate move

Maybe this is all separated, or maybe it’s connected. What we do have right now is two very questionable moves between the three teams where the Rangers and then the Sharks seemingly got a great deal. Perhaps it was done this way to circumvent Goodrow’s NTC and the shoe is going to drop on the Rangers obligation to the Wings.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Trouba simply cannot play top 4 minutes on any team expecting to push for playoffs.

Holl can't either. At least Trouba provides leadership, experience, physicality, and for whatever reason, it's likely that Yzerman just likes him more. I don't think Trouba as 2RD is a good idea, but Holl as 2RD isn't a good idea either. If DET thinks it's a better fit, then they might pull the trigger. Regardless of how we view the wisdom of doing that.

There's always some hope / chance that some kid like Wallinder or Sandin-Pelikka shows up to camp and forces their way onto the team and pushes Trouba down the lineup.

(Wallinder) - Seider
Maatta - Edvinsson
Johansson/Chiarot - Trouba
Johansson/Chiarot - Petry

or

Edvinsson - Seider
Maatta - (Sandin-Pelikka)
Johansson/Chiarot - Trouba
Johansson/Chiarot - Petry

 

[DanielBrassard]

If the rangers are retaining 2.5M and taking back a cap dump I don’t see how Detroit loses this deal. Trouba isn’t as good as he used to be and his gap control might be the worst in the league for a top-4 D, but he’s still serviceable.

 

[Djp]

The fall from grace of Yzermen is crazy. Basically considered the best GM in the league 6 years ago and now he looks like an awful GM constantly targeting trash players.

Makes you wonder about the people behind the curtain