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Confirmed with Link: NYR claim Cody McLeod

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Miamipuck said:
Keenan is a disgusting human being that was excreted from the back end of the family dog after it ate a pizza.
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That may well be. And I do know that he almost destroyed '94 and Messier was the glue. But the guy was a winner. And will hold a special place in my heart for bringing the Cup to NY. At the rate this is going, that may be the only one I get to see.
 
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Kind of amazing that in 10 seasons after leaving NY, Keenan only won one playoff series. Why would teams keep hiring him? I understand putting up with him when he's had recent success.
 
Nopuckluck said:
He can coach my team to another cup thank you very much. He won. That’s all that matters. It’s pro sports
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Maybe to you as an individual fan, but a lot of other fans disagree. And clearly teams and even entire leagues agree there's far more to being employed in a sport than being good or having won. Today more than ever. I mean, there are tons of guys that have won or could help you win that aren't playing or coaching because of various behaviors or indiscretions. I have no idea what is being alluded to with regards to Keenan, but looking beyond his specific example, it's absolutely untrue that winning is all that matters. Not anymore.
 
The rangers had one of the most stacked teams in history...and it took 2 game 7s for Keenan to get a win...

Keenan was an awful coach. A truly awful coach.
 
Inferno said:
The rangers had one of the most stacked teams in history...and it took 2 game 7s for Keenan to get a win...

Keenan was an awful coach. A truly awful coach.
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Not that I'm a Keenan fan, but that seems like an impossibly tough standard, lol. Tortorella hasn't won a series before 7 games in 13 years. And his Cup came with a 7 game win over the much inferior Flames, with the benefit of a missed goal call.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Maybe to you as an individual fan, but a lot of other fans disagree. And clearly teams and even entire leagues agree there's far more to being employed in a sport than being good or having won. Today more than ever. I mean, there are tons of guys that have won or could help you win that aren't playing or coaching because of various behaviors or indiscretions. I have no idea what is being alluded to with regards to Keenan, but looking beyond his specific example, it's absolutely untrue that winning is all that matters. Not anymore.
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You are flat out wrong. In professional sports winning IS all that matters. If you don’t believe this it’s actually scary. Why keep score? Why hand the Cup to the winners.
 
Nopuckluck said:
You are flat out wrong. In professional sports winning IS all that matters. If you don’t believe this it’s actually scary. Why keep score? Why hand the Cup to the winners.
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Why keep score? Why hand the Cup to the winners? Why read entire posts when you can just respond to the first line?

Lots of important questions.
 
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Thirty One said:
Not that I'm a Keenan fan, but that seems like an impossibly tough standard, lol. Tortorella hasn't won a series before 7 games in 13 years. And his Cup came with a 7 game win over the much inferior Flames, with the benefit of a missed goal call.
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It's a high bar but not totally impossible. we swept the Thrashers in '07 under Renney.
 
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Nopuckluck said:
You are flat out wrong. In professional sports winning IS all that matters. If you don’t believe this it’s actually scary. Why keep score? Why hand the Cup to the winners.
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Seriously? Is this a serious post? I'm talking about what matters in the context of whether or not a team will employee you. Your comment, the one to which I replied, essentially stated that you don't care what Keenan did, or what kind of person he is, that he can coach your team--because the only thing that matters to you in picking a coach, evidently--is winning. And my point is that for many other people, and for many organizations, who coaches the team, or who plays on the team, is dictated by far more than just talent or past success. I honestly don't know how your reading comprehension could be so poor that you didn't gather this from my initial post.

Thirty One said:
Why keep score? Why hand the Cup to the winners? Why read entire posts when you can just respond to the first line?

Lots of important questions.
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Christ almighty, THANK YOU.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Seriously? Is this a serious post? I'm talking about what matters in the context of whether or not a team will employee you. Your comment, the one to which I replied, essentially stated that you don't care what Keenan did, or what kind of person he is, that he can coach your team--because the only thing that matters to you in picking a coach, evidently--is winning. And my point is that for many other people, and for many organizations, who coaches the team, or who plays on the team, is dictated by far more than just talent or past success. I honestly don't know how your reading comprehension could be so poor that you didn't gather this from my initial post.



Christ almighty, THANK YOU.
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Please never stop dropping knowledge. You’ve always been one of my favorite posters, but these past few weeks have had some amazing insight from you
 
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Keenan violated the terms of his contract with the Rangers even before the season was over. Neil Smith and the Rangers upper management at the time had to jump through hoops to smooth over the discredit Keanan brought to the team. Trying to negotiate a contract with another team while you're still coaching your team is just unheard of and is not ethical. It was a terrible thing to do and just shows what a self serving asshole he is.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Seriously? Is this a serious post? I'm talking about what matters in the context of whether or not a team will employee you. Your comment, the one to which I replied, essentially stated that you don't care what Keenan did, or what kind of person he is, that he can coach your team--because the only thing that matters to you in picking a coach, evidently--is winning. And my point is that for many other people, and for many organizations, who coaches the team, or who plays on the team, is dictated by far more than just talent or past success. I honestly don't know how your reading comprehension could be so poor that you didn't gather this from my initial post.



Christ almighty, THANK YOU.
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No I comprehended it fine. For me the coach needs to win. Period. Yes I’d like a good guy too, but winning is all I care about. Billy martin
 
Nopuckluck said:
No I comprehended it fine. For me the coach needs to win. Period. Yes I’d like a good guy too, but winning is all I care about. Billy martin
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Again, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But your opinion is just that, an opinion. The objective reality is that a lot of fans and teams care about things like character, social stances, behavior patterns, and things like that when making hires. Now more than ever.

Anyway this has literally nothing to do with Cody McLeod, so I'm done here. Last word is yours.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Again, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But your opinion is just that, an opinion. The objective reality is that a lot of fans and teams care about things like character, social stances, behavior patterns, and things like that when making hires. Now more than ever.

Anyway this has literally nothing to do with Cody McLeod, so I'm done here. Last word is yours.
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My last word is I agree that a lot of fans and organizations care about the things you posted, and so do I. But winning comes first. You could be the nicest guy, active in the community, brilliant, kind whatever. Your job is to win.
 
I suspect McLeod was a guy management and/or AV always liked. So when he became available, they grabbed him. A free decent fourth liner who can provide some grit.
 
How is a player who is:

A. Dead last in CF%
B. 346/378 in 5v5 pts/60
C. 5th worst in penalty differential and number 1 in penalties taken/60 by a huge amount
among forwards who have played 1000+ minutes since 2015

A decent 4th liner? He's right up there for the number one worst there is.
 
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SA16 said:
How is a player who is:

A. Dead last in CF%
B. 346/378 in 5v5 pts/60
C. 5th worst in penalty differential and number 1 in penalties taken/60 by a huge amount
among forwards who have played 1000+ minutes since 2015

A decent 4th liner? He's right up there for the number one worst there is.
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Toughness of course.
 
My guess is that he's a warm body while the younger talent develops.

I don't particularly see any value in him, but I don't see him "blocking" anyone from getting looks.
 
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Since Jagr cleared waivers, can we finally eliminate this fantasy that McLeod was claimed to "bring veteran leadership to a team that's going to sell at the deadline" and just admit that AV and GMJG believe he actually helps this team?
 
silverfish said:
Since Jagr cleared waivers, can we finally eliminate this fantasy that McLeod was claimed to "bring veteran leadership to a team that's going to sell at the deadline" and just admit that AV and GMJG believe he actually helps this team?
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Jags doesn’t bring leadership. At this point he is being selfish trying to play. He’s ruining his incredible legacy
 
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