Proposal: NYR and MON then EDM multiple deals w/in a package

[Copenhagen91]

Didn’t even make it half way through before I stopped reading. Classic bern post. Horrible and long winded. Maybe the new year will bring a stop to your threads

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Horrible

 

[Chayos]

Thank you for giving me a stroke for Christmas.

A big fat hell no from Edmonton. Absolute awful valuation, thinking Edmonton would trade Holloway for a guy with all the offense of Fred Penner and that would be our #3 LD.

finally Broberg >>> Kravtsov with a trade demand.

I think we may actually have to file a restraining order on Bern. He cannot make any Broberg proposals or make any posts on Broberg in threads because it's starting to get onto the creeper side of life at this point.

Now he wants both of our 2 best prospects for a whole bunch fookall?

 

[bernmeister]

I'm not sure I get what you're trying to say. Habs have no problem keeping Price if the trade value is low (which it no doubt is) and probably have ZERO desire to have his $5.25M dead cap hit for the next five years if full retention is needed in order to trade him.

Am saying the value is low UNLESS Price is retained 2x.
Am asking, people of dif opinion may differ in good faith, are you better off keeping Price or flipping now under these or similar terms?

Honest ?, if you deal him now, what do you get?
Cap reality suggests, as witnessed in prior recent threads, that he can't get good enuf return at half. [If he could, no need to involve any third team.]

I’m still trying to figure out how Price, from the Rangers specifically, is the only option the Oilers have.

Fair ?.
What team can theoretically deal for him, then extend an additional difference making 1.5 cap?

Get back to me over the w'e.
Look forward to your honest reply.

I do not immediately see any other team can barely squeeze it all.
Some have $, some cap, some this, some that.
Obv not easy, but above demonstrates Rangers can at least do this much.

Didn’t even make it half way through before I stopped reading. Classic bern post. Horrible and long winded. Maybe the new year will bring a stop to your threads

All were invited to this party.
Scrooge, show thyself and thy bah humbug to the exit

 

[Chayos]

Your deal is too complicated. Are we to assume part 2 and part 3 doesn't happen without part 1? Or are we to assume that part 1 doesn't happen without part 2 and 3?

Rangers - Edmonton
***Where is Kravtsov coming into play if we traded him to Montreal? I'm assuming you just meant we're getting back an 8th overall after giving up a 9th overall to Montreal, so the deal you're looking for i'm going to again assume is the following after the initial trade with Montreal.

Price - 3.75million x 5
Lindren 3 x3
4th round pick

Holloway
Broberg
McLeod
EDM 2023 3rd and 2024 + 2025 2nds

Is this what you mean? Because if it is i'm going to change career paths and become a detective. You basically want to take advantage of Edmonton by having Montreal retain half the contract for Price.

Wow it looks even worse in English!

 

[bernmeister]

I think we may actually have to file a restraining order on Bern. He cannot make any Broberg proposals or make any posts on Broberg in threads because it's starting to get onto the creeper side of life at this point.

Now he wants both of our 2 best prospects for a whole bunch fookall?

Hey no sweat
NY can not do this at all, and reinvent Krav, which is my pref from a pure value standpoint.

Or we can get a good enuf offer and get Price and then flip to the Avalanche.

But NY is not doing anybody any favors without getting sufficient profit out of it.
And using Broberg to reimburse for Krav is non negotiable.

You would think the fact that I finagled for Oil to get Lindgren in the end result would be appreciated.
So one would think.

 

[thadd]

I don't think the OP knows anything about the Edmonton Oilers. That's insulting.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Am saying the value is low UNLESS Price is retained 2x.
Am asking, people of dif opinion may differ in good faith, are you better off keeping Price or flipping now under these or similar terms?

Honest ?, if you deal him now, what do you get?
Cap reality suggests, as witnessed in prior recent threads, that he can't get good enuf return at half. [If he could, no need to involve any third team.]

Quite frankly, not much. Seattle wouldn't take him for free and now he's missed the entire season so far. I'd argue the value is very much on the negative side. The big problem with his retention is that the Habs would be committed to do so for the next five years, which is a) not a good look financially and b) self-harming long term. Getting back some peanuts isn't exactly the incentive that's needed to make the deal worthwhile. I don't blame you on your valuation, but sometimes these deals need more than just "fair value" to go through. I don't see how dealing Price makes the Habs a better team either now or in the future, retained or not.

 

[McDNicks17]

It gets worse the more you read.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Get out.

 

[McSuper]

I promised a bern special for the holidays and here it is. If anyone wants something more Yuletide, go to the Christmas thread at the Ranger board. And now without further a dieu...

larger view is 3 team but for tech reasons broken down into 2, each its own large package.

EVERYTHING IS PACKAGE IS TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT

A) NY-MON
part 1: Kravtsov + Geo for Price at half = 5.25 x 5
part 2: Strome at full 4.5 no retain for MON 2023 + 2024 2nds
part 3: WPG 2022 4th + Hajek for MON 2022 3rd

rationale:
Habs - best use of Price is trade since not likely to compete next 2-3 yrs. Wince on eating half, but Habs have no one to blame but themselves for that and Price not moveable at full pop. Krav is solid talent, doing well in the K, and has C potential which Rangers are foolishly ignoring to consider to date, but a needed F in any case. Geo comes w/rfa control, runs hot and cold but also show he is solid when he is the guy w/starter work.
Strome reportedly wants 5.75 w/term to stay a Ranger, which he can't get b'c any other ?, NY has no cap for that. If he takes a 3-4 year deal to Gorts liking, he can be a useful pivot add, or flipped for a late 2021 1st as a rental, which MON gets draft help now for paying later. Strome as cap balance in this facilitates deal.
Hajek has no room on Rangers and MON is getting off a little light on Strome so a back scratch is made, NY has no 3rd this yr and Canadiens can live with downgrade a 3rd to a 4th.

Rangers - It was a mistake not to listen to me and give Krav a shot at C, but whatev, we move on. Value obtained; Price will obv be sold to highest bidder, and picks for Strome works out fine. Hajek was all world for 4 games, damaged his shoulder, and somehow NY botched his return. Upgrading to a needed 3rd is fine as is the roster slot.

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Pause to consider who would make higher offer for Price w/Rangers retaining 5 years at 1.5 per reducing his cap hit from 5.25 to 3.75.
Avs are a contender, as are others. Guessing Oil might cough up the most, tho would be curious to see other offers.
So,

B) NY-MON
part 1: Price retained again by another 1.5 so 5.25 reduced to 3.75 x 5
Rangers want a signif profit; massive overpay not in order, but admit competition for Price at that price. [lol:.].

step 1, equalize value for Kravtsov 9OA = 8OA Broberg. {And no, not taking Yama and a pick instead}.
step 2 put on shelf value of Geo, come back to it, and then what profit is to be added.


part 2: Lindgren at full 3 x 3 no retain for Holloway
Unfortunately, added cap hit on Fox + Zib leaves no alternative. Lindgren is only guy w/any cap recovery for this scenario. Fortunately he is replaced by bigger, faster, cheaper Broberg.
Value: would want AT LEAST a mid 1st for heart and soul Lindy, effective at clearing the crease and, while not unicorn speed demon, is also sufficiently fast. Holloway was that level pick. Outside chance he is pivot, more likely he is a great bookend W w/Kreider.

part 3: part 2 above only pays for acquiring Lindgren. It does not pay 5 years eating 1.5 cap on Price. For that I want two future 2nds if sooner or 3 if delayed extensively. Will split the dif and do two 2nds down the road but not too far and a 3rd. I will take EDM 2023 3rd and 2024 + 2025 2nds

part 4: returning to part 1, step 2, value of Geo: I add NYR 2021 4th and take 2nd round pick McLeod

part 5: NY still has LD prospect depth in Reunanen. Is ready now if need be, comes w/rfa cost control. Reunanen + NYR 2023 3rd for Lavoie, who was a 2nd round pick.

part 6: not adding up every nickel, even at double retained Price 3.75 + Lindgren 3.0 = 6.75 add for EDM team showing zero cap per CF. So if we are honest expiring Koskinen 4.5 is a cap dump you should pay for. Howev, Merry Christmas, NY will do expiring vet Kinkaid to get you thru this year as backup for unwanted Kosk, no charge, as part of this package.

If you want him for free, you can also take Brodzinski to help bottom 6 your playoff run.

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rationale:
Oil surrender high end prospects but get legit top help in G and Lindgren immediate help [notice Broberg at the A?]
Do have to refresh next coupla drafts but revitalizing w/youth is still doable going forward.
It is a big gamble, but if Price approaches good or better form, arguably worth it.
And, not unimportant, dealing for Price eliminates NY sending him elsewhere, incl Colorado.


Rangers -
complete a plan to proceed from strength with high quality prospects.
It is a major wince to lose Lindgren, but we are likely pulling off a band aid that needed to done in coupla years anyway.

are controlling the cap, not letting it control us
added futures, both picks + prospects, is smart

roster:
Broberg replaces Lindgren, max Nemeth - Nils to acclerate his acclimation, then move Nemeth, likely room for Robertson, but also possible chance for Jones!
and can also entertain shifting Nils to LD and calling up Schneider, at least til we can move Trouba
Broberg - Fox
KAM - Trouba
Nemeth - Nils

Fs
Goodrow - Zib - Panarin
LaF - Chytil - Gauthier
Kreider - Barron - Kakko [not sure if enuf scoring but dif to play vs will dominate]
Reaves - Rooney - Hunt
ample reserves incl to upgrade

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have at it and play nice.

respectful reminder to mods, this is a scenario of multiple deals, even tho as a package.
All homework shown. Each deal can stand up for individual assessment.
Thus not subject to a harge of outlandish vs entire combo of suggested deals.

Keep the deal between NYR and Montreal . Oilers fan can sit back and watch the never ending story how Bern wants Broberg but can't get it the Oilers aren't trading him . I like how you got Holloway in there as well . The Oilers 2 most prize prospects . It's not happening . Oilers fans have repeated this 100,000 times . You post Broberg and or Holloway to NYR more often then McDavid registers a point .

 

[McSuper]

Krav does not equal Broberg. Not on paper, not by position and not by organizational needs.

This . If Krav = Broberg then 3 tabs of Toilet paper = 100.00 bills . Bern do you have a few hundred dollar bills , if so we can swap

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Before I even opened up this thread I could have guessed:

1) way overvaluing Kratsov, referencing his top 10 pick status
2) Bern not giving anything significant for one of Holloway or Broberg
3) Montreal being used as a middle man to shave even more value in the Rangers favor


Bern did not disappoint

 

[Adam da bomb]

Before I even opened up this thread I could have guessed:

1) way overvaluing Kratsov, referencing his top 10 pick status
2) Bern not giving anything significant for one of Holloway or Broberg
3) Montreal being used as a middle man to shave even more value in the Rangers favor


Bern did not disappoint

Bern did not disappoint. I’m surprised how many people are taking it serious versus expecting it from bern and knowing what it will before opening thread.

 

[mouser]

OP is poorly formatted and likely incoherent to the majority of readers.

Closed.