bernmeister
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I promised a bern special for the holidays and here it is. If anyone wants something more Yuletide, go to the Christmas thread at the Ranger board. And now without further a dieu...
larger view is 3 team but for tech reasons broken down into 2, each its own large package.
EVERYTHING IS PACKAGE IS TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT
A) NY-MON
part 1: Kravtsov + Geo for Price at half = 5.25 x 5
part 2: Strome at full 4.5 no retain for MON 2023 + 2024 2nds
part 3: WPG 2022 4th + Hajek for MON 2022 3rd
rationale:
Habs - best use of Price is trade since not likely to compete next 2-3 yrs. Wince on eating half, but Habs have no one to blame but themselves for that and Price not moveable at full pop. Krav is solid talent, doing well in the K, and has C potential which Rangers are foolishly ignoring to consider to date, but a needed F in any case. Geo comes w/rfa control, runs hot and cold but also show he is solid when he is the guy w/starter work.
Strome reportedly wants 5.75 w/term to stay a Ranger, which he can't get b'c any other ?, NY has no cap for that. If he takes a 3-4 year deal to Gorts liking, he can be a useful pivot add, or flipped for a late 2021 1st as a rental, which MON gets draft help now for paying later. Strome as cap balance in this facilitates deal.
Hajek has no room on Rangers and MON is getting off a little light on Strome so a back scratch is made, NY has no 3rd this yr and Canadiens can live with downgrade a 3rd to a 4th.
Rangers - It was a mistake not to listen to me and give Krav a shot at C, but whatev, we move on. Value obtained; Price will obv be sold to highest bidder, and picks for Strome works out fine. Hajek was all world for 4 games, damaged his shoulder, and somehow NY botched his return. Upgrading to a needed 3rd is fine as is the roster slot.
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Pause to consider who would make higher offer for Price w/Rangers retaining 5 years at 1.5 per reducing his cap hit from 5.25 to 3.75.
Avs are a contender, as are others. Guessing Oil might cough up the most, tho would be curious to see other offers.
So,
B) NY-MON
part 1: Price retained again by another 1.5 so 5.25 reduced to 3.75 x 5
Rangers want a signif profit; massive overpay not in order, but admit competition for Price at that price. [lol:.].
step 1, equalize value for Kravtsov 9OA = 8OA Broberg. {And no, not taking Yama and a pick instead}.
step 2 put on shelf value of Geo, come back to it, and then what profit is to be added.
part 2: Lindgren at full 3 x 3 no retain for Holloway
Unfortunately, added cap hit on Fox + Zib leaves no alternative. Lindgren is only guy w/any cap recovery for this scenario. Fortunately he is replaced by bigger, faster, cheaper Broberg.
Value: would want AT LEAST a mid 1st for heart and soul Lindy, effective at clearing the crease and, while not unicorn speed demon, is also sufficiently fast. Holloway was that level pick. Outside chance he is pivot, more likely he is a great bookend W w/Kreider.
part 3: part 2 above only pays for acquiring Lindgren. It does not pay 5 years eating 1.5 cap on Price. For that I want two future 2nds if sooner or 3 if delayed extensively. Will split the dif and do two 2nds down the road but not too far and a 3rd. I will take EDM 2023 3rd and 2024 + 2025 2nds
part 4: returning to part 1, step 2, value of Geo: I add NYR 2021 4th and take 2nd round pick McLeod
part 5: NY still has LD prospect depth in Reunanen. Is ready now if need be, comes w/rfa cost control. Reunanen + NYR 2023 3rd for Lavoie, who was a 2nd round pick.
part 6: not adding up every nickel, even at double retained Price 3.75 + Lindgren 3.0 = 6.75 add for EDM team showing zero cap per CF. So if we are honest expiring Koskinen 4.5 is a cap dump you should pay for. Howev, Merry Christmas, NY will do expiring vet Kinkaid to get you thru this year as backup for unwanted Kosk, no charge, as part of this package.
If you want him for free, you can also take Brodzinski to help bottom 6 your playoff run.
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rationale:
Oil surrender high end prospects but get legit top help in G and Lindgren immediate help [notice Broberg at the A?]
Do have to refresh next coupla drafts but revitalizing w/youth is still doable going forward.
It is a big gamble, but if Price approaches good or better form, arguably worth it.
And, not unimportant, dealing for Price eliminates NY sending him elsewhere, incl Colorado.
Rangers -
complete a plan to proceed from strength with high quality prospects.
It is a major wince to lose Lindgren, but we are likely pulling off a band aid that needed to done in coupla years anyway.
are controlling the cap, not letting it control us
added futures, both picks + prospects, is smart
roster:
Broberg replaces Lindgren, max Nemeth - Nils to acclerate his acclimation, then move Nemeth, likely room for Robertson, but also possible chance for Jones!
and can also entertain shifting Nils to LD and calling up Schneider, at least til we can move Trouba
Broberg - Fox
KAM - Trouba
Nemeth - Nils
Fs
Goodrow - Zib - Panarin
LaF - Chytil - Gauthier
Kreider - Barron - Kakko [not sure if enuf scoring but dif to play vs will dominate]
Reaves - Rooney - Hunt
ample reserves incl to upgrade
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have at it and play nice.
respectful reminder to mods, this is a scenario of multiple deals, even tho as a package.
All homework shown. Each deal can stand up for individual assessment.
Thus not subject to a harge of outlandish vs entire combo of suggested deals.
larger view is 3 team but for tech reasons broken down into 2, each its own large package.
EVERYTHING IS PACKAGE IS TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT
A) NY-MON
part 1: Kravtsov + Geo for Price at half = 5.25 x 5
part 2: Strome at full 4.5 no retain for MON 2023 + 2024 2nds
part 3: WPG 2022 4th + Hajek for MON 2022 3rd
rationale:
Habs - best use of Price is trade since not likely to compete next 2-3 yrs. Wince on eating half, but Habs have no one to blame but themselves for that and Price not moveable at full pop. Krav is solid talent, doing well in the K, and has C potential which Rangers are foolishly ignoring to consider to date, but a needed F in any case. Geo comes w/rfa control, runs hot and cold but also show he is solid when he is the guy w/starter work.
Strome reportedly wants 5.75 w/term to stay a Ranger, which he can't get b'c any other ?, NY has no cap for that. If he takes a 3-4 year deal to Gorts liking, he can be a useful pivot add, or flipped for a late 2021 1st as a rental, which MON gets draft help now for paying later. Strome as cap balance in this facilitates deal.
Hajek has no room on Rangers and MON is getting off a little light on Strome so a back scratch is made, NY has no 3rd this yr and Canadiens can live with downgrade a 3rd to a 4th.
Rangers - It was a mistake not to listen to me and give Krav a shot at C, but whatev, we move on. Value obtained; Price will obv be sold to highest bidder, and picks for Strome works out fine. Hajek was all world for 4 games, damaged his shoulder, and somehow NY botched his return. Upgrading to a needed 3rd is fine as is the roster slot.
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Pause to consider who would make higher offer for Price w/Rangers retaining 5 years at 1.5 per reducing his cap hit from 5.25 to 3.75.
Avs are a contender, as are others. Guessing Oil might cough up the most, tho would be curious to see other offers.
So,
B) NY-MON
part 1: Price retained again by another 1.5 so 5.25 reduced to 3.75 x 5
Rangers want a signif profit; massive overpay not in order, but admit competition for Price at that price. [lol:.].
step 1, equalize value for Kravtsov 9OA = 8OA Broberg. {And no, not taking Yama and a pick instead}.
step 2 put on shelf value of Geo, come back to it, and then what profit is to be added.
part 2: Lindgren at full 3 x 3 no retain for Holloway
Unfortunately, added cap hit on Fox + Zib leaves no alternative. Lindgren is only guy w/any cap recovery for this scenario. Fortunately he is replaced by bigger, faster, cheaper Broberg.
Value: would want AT LEAST a mid 1st for heart and soul Lindy, effective at clearing the crease and, while not unicorn speed demon, is also sufficiently fast. Holloway was that level pick. Outside chance he is pivot, more likely he is a great bookend W w/Kreider.
part 3: part 2 above only pays for acquiring Lindgren. It does not pay 5 years eating 1.5 cap on Price. For that I want two future 2nds if sooner or 3 if delayed extensively. Will split the dif and do two 2nds down the road but not too far and a 3rd. I will take EDM 2023 3rd and 2024 + 2025 2nds
part 4: returning to part 1, step 2, value of Geo: I add NYR 2021 4th and take 2nd round pick McLeod
part 5: NY still has LD prospect depth in Reunanen. Is ready now if need be, comes w/rfa cost control. Reunanen + NYR 2023 3rd for Lavoie, who was a 2nd round pick.
part 6: not adding up every nickel, even at double retained Price 3.75 + Lindgren 3.0 = 6.75 add for EDM team showing zero cap per CF. So if we are honest expiring Koskinen 4.5 is a cap dump you should pay for. Howev, Merry Christmas, NY will do expiring vet Kinkaid to get you thru this year as backup for unwanted Kosk, no charge, as part of this package.
If you want him for free, you can also take Brodzinski to help bottom 6 your playoff run.
-------------------------------------
rationale:
Oil surrender high end prospects but get legit top help in G and Lindgren immediate help [notice Broberg at the A?]
Do have to refresh next coupla drafts but revitalizing w/youth is still doable going forward.
It is a big gamble, but if Price approaches good or better form, arguably worth it.
And, not unimportant, dealing for Price eliminates NY sending him elsewhere, incl Colorado.
Rangers -
complete a plan to proceed from strength with high quality prospects.
It is a major wince to lose Lindgren, but we are likely pulling off a band aid that needed to done in coupla years anyway.
are controlling the cap, not letting it control us
added futures, both picks + prospects, is smart
roster:
Broberg replaces Lindgren, max Nemeth - Nils to acclerate his acclimation, then move Nemeth, likely room for Robertson, but also possible chance for Jones!
and can also entertain shifting Nils to LD and calling up Schneider, at least til we can move Trouba
Broberg - Fox
KAM - Trouba
Nemeth - Nils
Fs
Goodrow - Zib - Panarin
LaF - Chytil - Gauthier
Kreider - Barron - Kakko [not sure if enuf scoring but dif to play vs will dominate]
Reaves - Rooney - Hunt
ample reserves incl to upgrade
=============================================================
have at it and play nice.
respectful reminder to mods, this is a scenario of multiple deals, even tho as a package.
All homework shown. Each deal can stand up for individual assessment.
Thus not subject to a harge of outlandish vs entire combo of suggested deals.
