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Confirmed with Link: NYR acquire Adam McQuaid from Bruins for Kampfer, and 4th round pick

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Machinehead said:
Or he sucks and we keep him over better options because character.
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Not an impossible thought, though I guess it could also depend on what other options are out there.

There’s not a history there for our team, so I’d say it’s probably not as likely as handing out a bad contract to a homegrown player who’s been in the trenches for the team.
 
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Machinehead said:
We're still assuming that this is an asset flip. What if the Rangers actually value McQuaid and want to keep him?
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So what? If that happens, they would deem that they like his play, locker room presence and want to keep him around to help raise the kids. That is hardly a role that has him playing as a top 4 defenseman. But let's actually see what happens first, how he plays, how he is received, etc...
 
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silverfish said:
Last year, among d-men who received similar ice time, McQuaid ranked towards the bottom of the league in categories that people feel are important to positive on-ice contributions. The targeting of McQuaid in a trade signifies a continuing disturbing trend of the front office where they are valuing off-ice intangibles more than on-ice tangibles. Some people disagree with this methodology of evaluating players and are concerned with the trend we are seeing from the front office. With the understanding that 'this is a rebuild' and we are 'supposed to suck' this year, there is a fine line between 'sucking on purpose' and trying to better your team, but still sucking.

Do we have any idea of what role AM will actually play? No, but neither does anyone. Do we have any idea what return McQuaid will bring at the deadline? No. It can be surmised or predicted, but it is not known.

Thus, we look at the today of it. The today of it being the team targeted a d-man who was, to be blunt, horrific last year, trending downwards, and we are all okay with it because he's a 'warrior'. Well, at the end of the day, today, McQuaid is a negative add.

And that's why people are so down on him.
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Better players cost more...rangers paid a low price for a stop gap player. Right or wrong they felt they needed a veteran option. Maybe the u.f.as out there want to play their last remaining games with a contender. Maybe they'd rather pay kampfer and a 4th for macquaid than a 2nd or 3rd plus kampfer for a better player.

We don't know. It's just...it's really a kinda nothing move. Assuming he's evaluated the right way and played where he deserves to play.
 
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Inferno said:
Better players cost more...rangers paid a low price for a stop gap player. Right or wrong they felt they needed a veteran option. Maybe the u.f.as out there want to play their last remaining games with a contender. Maybe they'd rather pay kampfer and a 4th for macquaid than a 2nd or 3rd plus kampfer for a better player.

We don't know. It's just...it's really a kinda nothing move. Assuming he's evaluated the right way and played where he deserves to play.
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And perhaps it was a negative add, but my question is... at that price, what option was available who would be enough of a positive add to make a tangible difference in the record of this team at the end of the year?
 
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Tawnos said:
And perhaps it was a negative add, but my question is... at that price, what option was available who would be enough of a positive add to make a tangible difference in the record of this team at the end of the year?
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Yeah impossible to answer. I don't have an issue with the deal....unless it's associated with undeserved playing time. Need to see how Quinn is before that is determined.
 
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Tawnos said:
Team building is not a monolithic affair, so not every single move is going to fall into a single box.

You can't just do one thing.
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I agree.
I would add that there’s a tendency to draw out ideas to their extremes and present events as simple black-and-white polarities.
As you say, the actions of a team (or any other entity, for that matter) are just steps in a particular direction. They don’t reflect every bit of its thinking.
I do agree the rangers appear to value character. But they also appear to value youth and skill in other moves. I think it’s all fine and I’m looking forward to the “final” product and watching it develop.
Certainly this move is nothing to get worked up over and I for one, like it.
Good teams have and I’d say, need players like this.
 
eco's bones said:
It's a skill game but also a physical game and hitting is important to it. The best teams (Washington, Tampa, Boston, Pittsburgh, Winnipeg, Vegas, Nashville for example) in the league play physical hockey. They all have a number of big, physical players who grind other teams down. Soften the opposition and then let your skill players take over. It's a strategy that works.
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Are you implying a team requires more than one type of player? Oh dear. This is getting confusing!
 
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Edge said:
You gotta think he's worth at least a fifth as a rental.

So even if we don't "turn a profit" on a potential trade, the cost is what? Kampfer and trading down from the 4th to the 5th?

What's the condition on the 7th?
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And while the Excel folks won't like this, there is a really good chance that someone like McQuaid pays dividends off the statsheet / spreadsheet. I could see him being a great influence for our young defenders (I can also see our young defenders being a rotating cast if someone like Hajek steps up and gets a cup of coffee).
 
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Gonna be an interesting camp

Skjei Shatty
Smith Pionk
Staal Mcquaid
Claesson ADA

KZB
Nam Chytil Zucc
Spooner Hayes Meskanen
Vesey Andersson Fast
Letteri Holland Beleskey
 
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Inferno said:
Yeah impossible to answer. I don't have an issue with the deal....unless it's associated with undeserved playing time. Need to see how Quinn is before that is determined.
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IMHO I'd consider it "undeserving" only if McQuaid is playing in top4 while ADA and Pionk are actually producing but playing less ES minutes. Otherwise (if he's on the 3rd paid) the issue is really whether ADA or Pionk deserve to be in the Rangers line up at this time or getting top line minutes with Hartford.
 
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kovazub94 said:
IMHO I'd consider it "undeserving" only if McQuaid is playing in top4 while ADA and Pionk are actually producing but playing less ES minutes. Otherwise (if he's on the 3rd paid) the issue is really whether ADA or Pionk deserve to be in the Rangers line up at this time or getting top line minutes with Hartford.
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To me im looking at it like...play whoever are the 7 or 8 guys who show they deserve to play regardless of age. That's the only way I see it to be fair. If everything is equal then the guy who is waiver exempt gets sent down first barring an injury.
 
Sticky Fingers said:
Consider what’s being posted on the bruins board I’d say it seems to be a good trade. The opposite to the Smith trade, where Red wing fans where laughing and advance stats tguys were celebrating. We all know how that ended.
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That's an interesting comparison, especially when everyone else loved Smith because of his edge and toughness, and many people were more than fine with his contract who weren't advanced stats guys? And ironically, there were a few of us who weren't so thrilled with his contract and said they would have preferred signing Cody Franson instead, but we all know how that ended. Really gets the noggin joggin how revisionist history works.
 
NYR said:
Question: Why does this trade bother you so much more than signing Smith to nearly the worst contract in the league?
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Because McQuaid has been as bad every year as Smith was last year. He's f***ing horrible.

Take away his fighting majors and he's AHL fodder, but because he adds grit, the league will employ him and the usual suspects will tell me he can do things he simply can't. (like PK well)
 
True Blue said:
That is a distinction by obfuscation. Ovechkin hits plenty. Are his shot metrics awful? And if they are, what does it tell you about a metric that makes one of the best goal scorers in the NHL look negative?

You are also generalizing: players who are aggressive and hit a lot are chasing the game, not driving it. This is generalization. This is also further helped when you are the arbiter of "driving the game" means.

How many would not take an in-prime Luccic? Or are you saying that you would not have him on your team as his shot metrics are poor?
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Generally it's true that I'd you're hitting a lot, you are chasing, but that's the rule, and there are exceptions to that. Radko Gudas hits a TON but the guy is an exceptional defensive defenseman.

It's the guys that go out of position to hit (glass), the guys that try to use hitting as a foundation to their game (4th line goon like McCleod), or the guys that have to use snow angels (girardi) to block shots and passes... Those are the rules, but there are exceptions to those rules. You can't look at one stat and then use that as a reference point for a player being good or bad.

I'm not saying McQuaid is going to be fire for us, but let's not jump to conclusions. We gave up a 4th rounder for a UFA to be who has lots of value at the trade deadline. He's not taking minutes from anyone, and like others have stated, if ADA and Pionk can't earn minutes over McQuaid then they suck ass and they shouldn't be playing anyways.
 
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DanielBrassard said:
That's an interesting comparison, especially when everyone else loved Smith because of his edge and toughness, and many people were more than fine with his contract who weren't advanced stats guys? And ironically, there were a few of us who weren't so thrilled with his contract and said they would have preferred signing Cody Franson instead, but we all know how that ended. Really gets the noggin joggin how revisionist history works.
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But Cody Franson can't kill penalties. Just isn't a PK kind of guy.
 
The posts that "ADA and Pionk suck anyway if they can't beat out McQuaid" are assuming the NHL is a meritocracy.

It's the furthest thing from a meritocracy.
 
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Machinehead said:
Because McQuaid has been as bad every year as Smith was last year. He's ****ing horrible.

Take away his fighting majors and he's AHL fodder, but because he adds grit, the league will employ him and the usual suspects will tell me he can do things he simply can't. (like PK well)
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Dude..Not that I'm some huge McQuaid fan but he's light years better than Smith.
Smith is competing against that very same AHL fodder that you're talking about just to even get a shot.
It's not even debatable IMO.
 
NYR said:
Dude..Not that I'm some huge McQuaid fan but he's light years better than Smith.
Smith is competing against that very same AHL fodder that you're talking about just to even get a shot.
It's not even debatable IMO.
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You just hate Smith, so it's not even worth having a discussion.
 
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