Proposal: NYR 2017 1st Rounder for your available DMan

[Vitto79]

Polak/Corrado/Hunwick/Marincin for Kovacs.

No thanks kovscs is an nhler after a few years in the minors . The players lead fans are offering are poo spares at best

 

[WesMcCauley]

Best option the way i see it:
Exposé Nash at the expansion draft
Buy out Girardi
Sign shatty

 

[CanadienShark]

Who was their last 1st? Miller? Skjei?

 

[Gsus]

Your hurting yor future big time. Time to agree that there is rebuilds. But they look competitive enough now.

 

[aufheben]

Who was their last 1st? Miller? Skjei?

Skjei. Hayes, Vesey, and Buchnevich have made up for all the 1sts we've traded.

It hasn't effected the team nearly as badly as people thought it would. I'd rather hold on to this one, the defender coming back for that price is probably not going to be good enough to fix anything.

 

[Savant]

That's funny... you should use that line as your signature.

So, a late 1st and you are expecting more than a Sekera, a 2nd pairing Dman?? I hope you are not thinking you are going to get a 1st pairing D... makes your statement above all that more ironic.

Give some examples of who you think would be available for that late first, in what is said to be a weak draft.

Valuewise Sekera is close, but his contract is what makes him not worth a 1st.

I'm not expecting a "top pairing" guy necessarily but again it more about what teams are willing to give up. And what teams are trying to sell. This thread is to gauge that.

 

[pld459666]

Rangers look fine right now.

Burning another 1st would be a mistake. Also, a late 1st rarely brings back a serious impact dman anymore, especially a rental

in addition that not all dmen adjust to different systems well

Agree with this.

Just because we have found success in the later rounds does not mean we should burn the earlier picks.

Also as mentioned above, moving the 1st alone doesn't get the asset we need meaning more than the 1st goes in a deal further depleting an already shallow system.

It's a fools endeavor to think the success we have had with college fa's and later round picks will continue.

If I were GMJG I'd do everything I can to keep my 1st and 2nd round picks while the team starts to transition away from Nash, Klein, Girardi and to a lesser extent Zuccs.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Fair enough. Hard to get a pulse on Gorton. He inherited a team mid contention so its interesting to see how he maneuvers the win now vs prepare for the future mentality. Clearly he will maximize the assets in house now by giving them the opportunity to win, but I wouldnt be surprised to see moves geared towards replenishing the system

I think it's pretty clear that he's going toward retooling. I think the Brassard trade signified that.

He's a smart general manager that made a move that made this team good enough to compete, while getting younger and more cost controlled in the process.

I can't see him moving a piece like Hayes after putting in the work to re-sign him, especially with Hayes having made a hell of a commitment to get himself in better shape this season. The results speak for themselves so far.

 

[bernmeister]

Don't think the Hurricanes will like that very much.

Not moving for the sake of a deal. Gorton has shown he can find value in the middle rounds. Also the Rangers ability to sign prospects without drafting them is something Gorton has excelled at.

1, While that was a serious proposal, I did that here specifically as an illustration of what I meant as to use of a 1st. I believe I accurately made the point in the context of illustration.

2. Just to clarify, my friend, I did not mean to infer you were moving this valued asset simply for the sake of a deal, just in case that was not explicit. I meant to say doing that would not be the best use of such asset in most cases.

3. Yes, we are most fortunate that Gorton has done so well with 'less' - selections further down the slotting order. That does not mean we should push what is not entirely luck since yes, we have the benefit of his skill, I agree with you on that; what I am saying is he is limited by what picks he has. If he has a higher pick, whether he uses it in selection, trades down, trades up, whatever - he has more to work with.

4. As to that trade, feel free to explain whether here, by PM, or any appropriate thread. Yes, I acknowledge Hanifin may not be available at any price, or virtually that (McDavid, etc. return).
That aside, if we presuppose he is available for fair value or a reasonable overpayment, I would say this is at least fair value.
Hanifin 1D - Zib 1C are both top positions, not Ws, and if anything Zib is a righty, Hani a lefty, so splitting hairs, win to Canes
Pirri worth more than Murphy
1st worth more than 2 2nds

only thing not = in NY favor is that Hanifin is ELC. Thus overpayment made.
Whether or not that is enough, is another thing.
They may want to see how high we will go, and we would have to respond to what their demands are and there would or would not be further negotiation

but I think they at least seriously consider it
they could use zib, already are way deep at D, and 2 reasonable Fs showing scoring ability would be taken at the right price, no doubt

 

[WesMcCauley]

Skjei. Hayes, Vesey, and Buchnevich have made up for all the 1sts we've traded.

It hasn't effected the team nearly as badly as people thought it would. I'd rather hold on to this one, the defender coming back for that price is probably not going to be good enough to fix anything.

Also remember that we signed Zuccarello who was undrafted and turned into a top line winger and didnt really become a part of the team before the 13/14 season. Got Mcdonagh for Gomez etc. We have found ways to add talent with signing guys like Zucc, Vesey, Hayes, Pirri, trading for Zibanajad etc.

 

[WesMcCauley]

1, While that was a serious proposal, I did that here specifically as an illustration of what I meant as to use of a 1st. I believe I accurately made the point in the context of illustration.

2. Just to clarify, my friend, I did not mean to infer you were moving this valued asset simply for the sake of a deal, just in case that was not explicit. I meant to say doing that would not be the best use of such asset in most cases.

3. Yes, we are most fortunate that Gorton has done so well with 'less' - selections further down the slotting order. That does not mean we should push what is not entirely luck since yes, we have the benefit of his skill, I agree with you on that; what I am saying is he is limited by what picks he has. If he has a higher pick, whether he uses it in selection, trades down, trades up, whatever - he has more to work with.

4. As to that trade, feel free to explain whether here, by PM, or any appropriate thread. Yes, I acknowledge Hanifin may not be available at any price, or virtually that (McDavid, etc. return).
That aside, if we presuppose he is available for fair value or a reasonable overpayment, I would say this is at least fair value.
Hanifin 1D - Zib 1C are both top positions, not Ws, and if anything Zib is a righty, Hani a lefty, so splitting hairs, win to Canes
Pirri worth more than Murphy
1st worth more than 2 2nds

only thing not = in NY favor is that Hanifin is ELC. Thus overpayment made.
Whether or not that is enough, is another thing.
They may want to see how high we will go, and we would have to respond to what their demands are and there would or would not be further negotiation

but I think they at least seriously consider it
they could use zib, already are way deep at D, and 2 reasonable Fs showing scoring ability would be taken at the right price, no doubt

We dont need another LH defensemen... We need a RH defensemen, that trade makes no sense.

 

[Djp]

Buffalo has Gorges and Franson available for a 1st......

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

I think it's pretty clear that he's going toward retooling. I think the Brassard trade signified that.

He's a smart general manager that made a move that made this team good enough to compete, while getting younger and more cost controlled in the process.

I can't see him moving a piece like Hayes after putting in the work to re-sign him, especially with Hayes having made a hell of a commitment to get himself in better shape this season. The results speak for themselves so far.

With all due respect to Gorton, yes that was a smart move to get younger on the fly without impacting todays team, but that was also half Melnyk being a cheap azz and not wanting to pony up cash for Z and getting a return of a player (Brassard) who was cost efficient with his salary being $3.5 mil the next two years vs a $5 mil cap hit. Zibenejad would have surely gotten a raise making more than $3.5 mil in cash the next two years and Melnyk knew that

Its utterly embarassing that guy owns a team in the Canadian capital and he penny pinches like a local Subway sandwich franchise owner

 

[bernmeister]

We dont need another LH defensemen... We need a RH defensemen, that trade makes no sense.

setting aside possibility of Skjei or Graves playing off side,
this is a potential first pair LD top shelf
improves immediately if Graves, who already has nothing to prove in the A, simmers there a bit longer, while we move Staal

or
the above^
plus you can trade McD for something awesome, like McD + for MacKinnon+

 

[VanJack]

AV likes Chris Tanev...but the way the Rangers are going this year that first-rounder is at the very back end of the first round....would take more than that.

 

[Shootertooter]

I agree with Meg.
The Rangers will likely buyout Girardi, expose Nash and sign Shattenkirk at some point.

 

[MVPete96]

Detroit offers Mike Green for your 1st

 

[Shootertooter]

Detroit offers Mike Green for your 1st

To make that work, you have to take some cap back. Interested in Staal?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Okay the Rangers can have Brendan Smith for your first.

Detroit Red Wings- New York Rangers 2017 1st round pick

New York Rangers- Brendan Smith

Of course this would never happen, But Brendan Smith is more then likely the only D man from Detroit available.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Detroit offers Mike Green for your 1st

Yeah we're not trading by far our best D man right now, We need D help right now. Not to trade by far our best D man.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Marc Staal and a first for Dougie Hamilton

An overpaid Staal+1st for Hamilton, And Calgary does this why.

 

[Shootertooter]

An overpaid Staal+1st for Hamilton, And Calgary does this why.

Would Klein and a 1st for Hamilton be a better offer?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Would Klein and a 1st for Hamilton be a better offer?

I think Klein+New Yorks 2017 1st would be more closer to what Treliving would want for Hamilton then Staal would but i think that Treliving would want a decent forward in return also for Hamilton.

 

[FrodoBeggins]

Bearing in mind that this option is approximately 25 m and the weakness of this year's draft, I would give Mike Riley. If I am not mistaken, you also fought for it. You can add 3 round