Nyquist & Tatar

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

It's obvious here that both Goose and Tats are having Junior slumps here.

 

[lilidk]

my problem with both of them that they are not good defensively and next generation Mantha and Svechnikov pretty much the same . All this players are expendable . We need get better at center and defense. We need players that are good at any place , just like Z, Dats , Larkin, Aby even Helm

 

[HockeyinHD]

Nyquist and Tatar are a bit outside the low side of what I thought they'd do this year, in large part because their IT has dried up. In terms of per minute production they aren't actually too far away from what I thought they'd be.

20-24 goals, 46-50 points.

The thing is, I don't really disagree with Blashill's demotion of the pair of them. For most of the year they've both been pretty bad without the puck on their stick, and then not very stiff with it there, either.

 

[Red Stanley]

They seem pretty ineffective mostly because our roster lacks true power forwards, who can drive the net and open up space for them. As mediocre as Abby is, if we had two more of him, we could create 3 decent lines that work consistently. Our lineup generally lacks size and grit on the top lines to go with the playmaking. If I were Nyquist and Tatar, I would stop frustrating myself trying to create too much and start shooting from just about everywhere. Work the percentages, hope for rebounds, deflections, flukes, etc. Anything is better than skating around till you turn the puck over. I still like the fact they're at least trying, though.

 

[Henkka]

They seem pretty ineffective mostly because our roster lacks true power forwards, who can drive the net and open up space for them. As mediocre as Abby is, if we had two more of him, we could create 3 decent lines that work consistently. Our lineup generally lacks size and grit on the top lines to go with the playmaking. If I were Nyquist and Tatar, I would stop frustrating myself trying to create too much and start shooting from just about everywhere. Work the percentages, hope for rebounds, deflections, flukes, etc. Anything is better than skating around till you turn the puck over. I still like the fact they're at least trying, though.

Agree. We should go after Komarov if possible.

But don't think Toronto will want any of our players, because Babcock knows them too well. So it would be only for picks.

 

[Red Stanley]

Agree. We should go after Komarov if possible.

But don't think Toronto will want any of our players, because Babcock knows them too well. So it would be only for picks.

And hopefully none of our players end up there. I'd feel bad for them

 

[dragonballgtz]

Gus most definitely stepped up recently, making himself more noticeable.
Getting the feeling that some only look out for actual assists or goals, not created chances.

I'm not sure if my sarcastic meter is broken.

But I'll say eventually created chances don't mean crap id you never get results.

Also, I hope Tatar and Nyquist don't turn into another Hudler and Flip situation. Either they need to be a bigger part of our future or moved to acquire those pieces.

 

[Top Shelfer]

These two are really one dimensional type NHLers. The stat lines for both are nearly identical, no joke.



Tomas Tatar 2015-2016 DET L 60 16 17 33 -3 24 5 10 0 0 3 1 126 12.7 14:36 20.0 23.8


Gustav Nyquist 2015-2016 DET R 61 14 18 32 -4 20 6 10 0 0 3 2 123 11.4 15:10 20.0 0.0

Both need to shoot A LOT more! Neither hit much nor drive the net often.
We basically have two new versions of Hudler & Filppula.
Thanks Ken Holland. I think Nyquist is the slower skater so if I was Kenny I would trade him first but ultimately both will probably be gone in a few seasons anyway.

 

[jcbio11]

Tatar mentioned something along the lines of him scoring less because of the system Detroit plays this year. I think he said it was like a tight checking thing. This was maybe like a month ago for a Slovak newspaper, can't remember which one now, so I can't find the link and the exact quote. Any thoughts on that guys?

 

[HockeyinHD]

Tatar mentioned something along the lines of him scoring less because of the system Detroit plays this year. I think he said it was like a tight checking thing. This was maybe like a month ago for a Slovak newspaper, can't remember which one now, so I can't find the link and the exact quote. Any thoughts on that guys?

If he said that, I'm bemused he's blaming the defensive requirements of a system hurting his offense while simultaneously being bad at the defensive requirements.

 

[Run the Jewels]

These two are really one dimensional type NHLers. The stat lines for both are nearly identical, no joke.



Tomas Tatar 2015-2016 DET L 60 16 17 33 -3 24 5 10 0 0 3 1 126 12.7 14:36 20.0 23.8


Gustav Nyquist 2015-2016 DET R 61 14 18 32 -4 20 6 10 0 0 3 2 123 11.4 15:10 20.0 0.0

Both need to shoot A LOT more! Neither hit much nor drive the net often.
We basically have two new versions of Hudler & Filppula.
Thanks Ken Holland. I think Nyquist is the slower skater so if I was Kenny I would trade him first but ultimately both will probably be gone in a few seasons anyway.

They'll both be gone the moment they hit free agency.

 

[Vladdy84]

Tatar mentioned something along the lines of him scoring less because of the system Detroit plays this year. I think he said it was like a tight checking thing. This was maybe like a month ago for a Slovak newspaper, can't remember which one now, so I can't find the link and the exact quote. Any thoughts on that guys?

He needs to shoot and the drive to the net more. And stop turning the puck over. Play smarter 2-way hockey.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Tatar mentioned something along the lines of him scoring less because of the system Detroit plays this year. I think he said it was like a tight checking thing. This was maybe like a month ago for a Slovak newspaper, can't remember which one now, so I can't find the link and the exact quote. Any thoughts on that guys?

yeah, it's not like the wing did that under babcock...

 

[Pavels Dog]

Tatar mentioned something along the lines of him scoring less because of the system Detroit plays this year. I think he said it was like a tight checking thing. This was maybe like a month ago for a Slovak newspaper, can't remember which one now, so I can't find the link and the exact quote. Any thoughts on that guys?

Basically the entire team has lower offensive numbers than last year so he's not wrong in 'blaming' the system. However he would have 20 more points this year if he didn't think he was Patrick Kane and started passing the puck more and shooting when he's got chances instead of stickhandling.

 

[jcbio11]

Basically the entire team has lower offensive numbers than last year so he's not wrong in 'blaming' the system. However he would have 20 more points this year if he didn't think he was Patrick Kane and started passing the puck more and shooting when he's got chances instead of stickhandling.

Oh okay, that makes sense then.

Anyway I don't think he was "blaming" the system, but rather answering the reporter's question about his lower production this year.

 

[Nordic*]

What the hell happened to Nyquist?

Predicted to be a great scorer with a really high value, a couple of years ago.

Now....dud?

 

[14ari13]

Good to see these 2 get it going. Hopefully they keep it going.
The goal by Nyquis was maybe the best goal of the season.

 

[mindfly]

What the hell happened to Nyquist?

Predicted to be a great scorer with a really high value, a couple of years ago.

Now....dud?

Small, soft euro... Not highly skilled enough to make up for softness and small size, not big and strong enough for his current skill-set

 

[Shaman464]

What the hell happened to Nyquist?

Predicted to be a great scorer with a really high value, a couple of years ago.

Now....dud?

During his explosion it was when he was relatively unknown. Now other teams plan for him and he gets beaten like a redheaded step child of a rented mule by defenders.

 

[InjuredChoker]

During his explosion it was when he was relatively unknown. Now other teams plan for him and he gets beaten like a redheaded step child of a rented mule by defenders.

that and he also seems to have lost some skating speed. the first few steps aren't as fast anymore.

his 5on5 production the past two seasons has been concerning.

 

[Pavels Dog]

What the hell happened to Nyquist?

Predicted to be a great scorer with a really high value, a couple of years ago.

Now....dud?

You talk as if it's been years and years since he was good. He is a good scorer, 50-60 point type of player. Thing is, when you have a team that doesn't score a lot of goals it hurts everyone's numbers. Gus still just needs a good finish to the season to get to 50+ points, he's hardly a dud.

 

[Flowah]

Wasn't his SH% his first couple seasons sky high? And a lot of it was on the PP if I recall correctly. Regression towards the mean + our terribad PP this season = big decline in numbers.

 

[skate skate skate]

Wasn't his SH% his first couple seasons sky high? And a lot of it was on the PP if I recall correctly. Regression towards the mean + our terribad PP this season = big decline in numbers.

2013-2014: 16.87% (5v5: 17.21% and pp: 16.22%)
2014-2015: 13.40% (5v5: 8.16% and pp: 25.93%)
2015-2016: 12.00% (5v5: 8.14% and pp: 28.57%)

So he actually has a better Sh% on the pp this year, but shooting the puck a lot less. One of our biggest priorities this off-season should be to get a new pp-coach IMO.

 

[19 for president]

Nyquist is a pp/ breakaway scorer. Our pp system is horrific and we rarely go for a long pass.

Tatar struggling is more surprising, as he used go play a much grittier game. Now he thinks he is Datsyuk with the puck...

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

The thread is based on a wrong premise. Nyquist and Tatar are 2nd line wingers.