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Star RFAs are now able to demand larger contracts, but the current CBA definitely favours vets over younger guys.
Nylander's Holdout is About a lot More Than Willy and the Leafs
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Star RFAs are now able to demand larger contracts, but the current CBA definitely favours vets over younger guys.
mouser
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Every single CBA in every major professional sports league favors the vets over the younger guys. That's the way it works when the players union negotiates a deal with the owners--the vets prioritize their own interests.
The RFA's are getting paid more today then ever in NHL history, and it's not just the "star" guys. A simple recent example is Alex Tuch. 84 career NHL games, 37 points, signed to a $33 million dollar extension. That would have never happened under the prior CBA's.
Man, Leafs are a hot mess right now. The big guy is out with another injury and the team suddenly cannot score at home. The d-corp is a league wide joke and the GM is so demented that he is trying to sign another offensive player rather than trade him to improve the blue line.
Fun times in Leafland, but all in all, par for the course.
Fun times in Leafland, but all in all, par for the course.
Marner making $10 million+ is unlikely unless he puts up a 90+ point season. He hasn’t even had a 70 point season yet and has yet to score near a point pet game over a full season unlike Matthews last year or pretty much any other player in that salary range. He is also an RFA without arbitration rights, so as much as fans from ther teams might wish it, he can’t just dictate contract terms to the Leafs. And as to the threat of an offer-sheet, well another team offering Marner “a $10 million raise” as you say he will get would have to compensate Toronto 4 first round picks. Tell me, would you be ok with the GM of your team being willing to give up those assets to Toronto to get Marner?
People seem to forget that teams have no incentive to offer their non-arbitration RFAs contracts that are steeper then what other teams are willing to offer-sheet. This is why Nylander currently isn’t under contract for the reported $8 million he wants.
They are 8-4-0 and seen by pretty much every major hockey analysis source as at least a dark-horse contender for the Cup. You keep imagining they are a “hot mess” run by incompetent management though.
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I may be in the minority here, but I think the following two things at once...
1. If Nylander is asking for $8M long term, he is definitely out to lunch. I can't really blame Leafs management for balking at that. He is pretty clearly not worth that, and I don't think that Dubas really deserves blame for not signing him to that, regardless of whether or not he brought in Tavares.
2. The treatment of Nylander by Toronto - from the management, down to the media and fans, is ridiculous, and looks bad on Dubas, Shanahan, and everybody involved. First you've got Dubas saying "we can and will sign these guys", behaving particularly smug. Then you've got Borje Salming calling him and trying to essentially bully him into signing a contract. Then, you've got Shanahan going to the media and dissing the hell out of Nylander for trying to get paid. I honestly feel bad for him.
1. If Nylander is asking for $8M long term, he is definitely out to lunch. I can't really blame Leafs management for balking at that. He is pretty clearly not worth that, and I don't think that Dubas really deserves blame for not signing him to that, regardless of whether or not he brought in Tavares.
2. The treatment of Nylander by Toronto - from the management, down to the media and fans, is ridiculous, and looks bad on Dubas, Shanahan, and everybody involved. First you've got Dubas saying "we can and will sign these guys", behaving particularly smug. Then you've got Borje Salming calling him and trying to essentially bully him into signing a contract. Then, you've got Shanahan going to the media and dissing the hell out of Nylander for trying to get paid. I honestly feel bad for him.
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Go through Twitter. Search William Nylander. The shit people say to/about him is outright disgusting. I mean, it's probably 1/5 of the fanbase talking shit to him, but the nerve of some people is simply embarrassing.
JoeThorntonsRooster
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It’s funny that you say that because, before I made my post I literally just twitter searched “Nylander”, and considered posting exactly what you just said. The comment I remember was some misogynistic comment saying something along the lines of he was like a dumb blonde slut who just wants money, lol.
Foppberg
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If Nylander really wanted to play for the leafs he wouldn't be in Sweden. He'd be in Toronto trying to stay in shape and sign asap.
Trade happens by mid november
Trade happens by mid november
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Whatever his argument is, they're sticking to it. Nylander wants stupid money, but has been keeping in shape and was spotted practising in leafs gear.
Pastrnak = good, use this comparable
Draisatl = bad, ignore those idiots in Edmonton
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the 8 million is more or less a bargaining leverage. One can say the Leafs are also out to lunch if they have offered him 5.5 million or something.
his agent wants to get the most of his client, and the team wants to offer the least. The agent knows no matter what number they put up, the team will bargain it down. He is probably asking for 8 million and realistically expect things to be talked down to 7 million. It's a bargaining tactic and part of business.
If a player signs a one year offersheet, does he remain RFA? I had thought that at the expiration of a signed offersheet, whether it was matched or not, the player becomes UFA at the end?
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He will become a RFA the following year, that said, no teams will put in a one year rfa offer , and the player will absolutely not sign a 1 year rfa term when they can sign a 6 year term or something.
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Don’t say eye test when you mean points
Obviously, $8M is a pretty normal number for Nylander’s camp to bring to the table at the start of negotiations. Toronto bringing $5M and the two of them meeting in the middle at $6.5M is very reasonable from all sides.
From what I’ve read, it sounds like he is asking for $8M and not budging, while the Leafs are only willing to go up to $6.5M at the most. However, I haven’t seen anything from a trusted insider that clearly states this with 100% certainty.
In addition the general motive of the media has been to make Nylander the bad guy. And, by making it seem like he is asking for $8M and not budging, they definitely make him seem like a greedy kid with a big ego. It’s possible that his camp is being as reasonable as asking for $6.5M, and Dubas is not even offering $6M.
Because we haven’t seen a clear, definitive number on this, and because the media is generally tasked with making Nylander out to be the bad guy, it’s pretty difficult to say where the two camps are actually at.
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only if they are 28 years old or older by the July 1st is when they are a UFA, or if the player gets released or unless they have signed a contract with the team past their 28th birthday.
That part I am not surprised as the Media is trying to pain Nylander the villain, not to mention playing in the Toronto Market.
My personal take is that the Leafs probably offered something bad enough they know it will be refused in order to turn him into a trade asset instead. The signing of Tavares might have made him expendable. They will try their best to make it look like they are trying to sign him.
Look at this, they signed Tavares this summer at 11 million dollars per year, Matthews>>>>> Tavares, so they need cap room in order to sign Matthews coming soon. He will probably want more then 8 million.
that being said, him asking for 8 million is also hurting his trade value, so this is going to be a ongoing gong show for the Leafs. In a years time, the leafs might have 22 million dollar in cap room tied towards 2 players. So right now off loading Nylander is probably what they are looking to do.
TheGroceryStick
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Seems ridiculous to compare him to wingers of similar status.... Pastrnak /Ehlers etc. Than an obvious overpaid center.
Riiight
The one thing we have really seen is that Shanahan have gone out and said the players should sign for under market value which suggests that they have made Nylander a low offer.
Personally I hope Nylander goes to another team and gets a reasonable contract so the leafs learns what happens if they try to f'ck over their players. And I don't even like Nylander. But the leafs are getting a very bad reputation from this sh*t.
Couldn't agree more, they handled this horribly.
Agreed, Tavares was their priority, Nylander was a very far distant 2nd or maybe even 3rd.
That's the problem Mathews >>> Tavares which means Mathews at 12 or 12.5. Marner can easily come close to 90 points and you'd have no choice but to give him 10.5 or a team discount at 10. So you'd have :
Mathews 12 or 12.5 Million
Tavares 11 Million
Marner 10 or 10.5 Million
Nylander is part of the big 4 but they want to give him 6.5 so everything fits but it's only half of what the others are getting. You can't really blame him at all.
