Player Discussion Nylander After the Contract

[Suntouchable13]

They will use Tavares' money to help fill the holes in two years. Until then, business as usual.

What money? They will probably re-sign him to another joke of an extension at like 5 or 6 mil instead of letting him walk. And Marner will re-sign at 12+ probably. So yes, business as usual for eternity.

 

[mjd1001]

180 pages wasn't enough? This team is better with him than without him. Get over it.

The team is better with him than without him of course in a vacuum, but that's not the issue.

Without him... What assets could you be getting back for him? And what else could you be doing with those dollars?

What if you could trade him for a solid top four defenseman and two 'high-ish' prospects. Maybe that top 4 defenseman is making half of what you're paying WN. Of course I don't know who's available, but something like that is not out of the question now. Why might that be good?

You get a top four defenseman. And you replace WN with a guy Who isn't as good but is making a lot less. Maybe that new guy plus a adequate defenseman is better than WM without that adequate defenseman.
Oh and why would two prospects be important if available? You could have NHL ready guys ready to step in the lineup in one or two years that are low cost, cost controlled... To offset what you're paying your other high priced guys.

I'm not taking the other side of the argument that signing him to that deal was a definite mistake and the club was dumb for doing it.... I'm just saying that saying they're better off with him than without him isn't the issue... It's what can you do with that money in addition to what could he get back in a trade that the comparison must be made to.

 

[Dragao6]

Our problem is scoring so we should give away our second best scorer.


I must say that I'm impressed by how completely you missed the point.

Yes I would because our top scorers get it done in regular season when games are easier
Playoffs our play and special teams have sucks so yeah get rid of one underperforming one dimensional player to make team better with multiple upgrades. U ever notice that goals go in when a team is playing well? Don’t need to rely on a scoring to come from just 2/3 players


Right now leafs cant sign proper suppot players

worked we

 

[Drytoast]

Willy's job is to generate offence, so when he doesn't for three games, he's a failure.

Matty's job is to generate offence, so when he doesn't for three games, he's still great.

I may understand what you're really saying better than you do.

Matty got his contract based off of his goal scoring ability.

He is tops in the league.

Willy got his contract for his raw point production. Being a top 5 point getter in the league. League tops raw point producers do not go 3 games being pointless.

 

[Commander Clueless]

I miss unsigned Willy

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Willy got his contract for his raw point production. Being a top 5 point getter in the league. League tops raw point producers do not go 3 games being pointless.

You cannot be serious. Look up some star players game logs and see if your 3 game theory is accurate.

And Willy is a 40 goal man with an outstanding shot and elite passing ability. He's not some cherry picker looking to inflate his stats.

 

[Stephen]

What money? They will probably re-sign him to another joke of an extension at like 5 or 6 mil instead of letting him walk. And Marner will re-sign at 12+ probably. So yes, business as usual for eternity.

I’m leaning towards giving JT the boot under any circumstances, aka maybe not even letting him back on a Spezza-Giordano deal…

It’s not so much that he’s awful at any price point or a bad guy at all but if you need a culture shift it’s gotta be dramatic so space opens up for new leadership to emerge in the room… Think Winnipeg minus Blake Wheeler.

If he’s still here, legacy guy, long time captain… it just doesn’t seem like you’ll see any cultural changes. And by October 2025 I’m not sure there’s so much hockey left him that you absolutely need him back.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yes I would because our top scorers get it done in regular season when games are easier
Playoffs our play and special teams have sucks so yeah get rid of one underperforming one dimensional player to make team better with multiple upgrades. U ever notice that goals go in when a team is playing well? Don’t need to rely on a scoring to come from just 2/3 players


Right now leafs cant sign proper suppot players

worked we

So get rid of the one who performs best when the play gets toughest.

Why not wait one year and get rid of the one or two who underperform the most?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Matty got his contract based off of his goal scoring ability.

He is tops in the league.

Willy got his contract for his raw point production. Being a top 5 point getter in the league. League tops raw point producers do not go 3 games being pointless.

So if the guy who scored 40 goals last year goes scoreless in three games, it's ok, but if the guy who scored 40 goals last year goes scoreless in three games, it's not ok?

Glad you clarified that.

 

[Dragao6]

I’m leaning towards giving JT the boot under any circumstances, aka maybe not even letting him back on a Spezza-Giordano deal…

It’s not so much that he’s awful at any price point or a bad guy at all but if you need a culture shift it’s gotta be dramatic so space opens up for new leadership to emerge in the room… Think Winnipeg minus Blake Wheeler.

If he’s still here, legacy guy, long time captain… it just doesn’t seem like you’ll see any cultural changes. And by October 2025 I’m not sure there’s so much hockey left him that you absolutely need him back.

I don’t disagree but
They’re not letting their captain walk.
He actually plays in playoffs, not shy of tough situations, doesn’t avoid hard places on ice
If u want a culture change then u move one of the 3 top dogs. That least nylander and marner are very similar players outside 16 playing on the penalty kill
Those three player are the ones responsible for the sucess of this team and essentially the main reason why we haven’t had success

That’s my view anyways
I like them all very much but I like the Leafs more.
What’s become very evident to me is that the club has allowed these three dictate how the club is run and not the other way around which is a massive error

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don’t disagree but
They’re not letting their captain walk.
He actually plays in playoffs, not shy of tough situations, doesn’t avoid hard places on ice
If u want a culture change then u move one of the 3 top dogs. That least nylander and marner are very similar players outside 16 playing on the penalty kill
Those three player are the ones responsible for the sucess of this team and essentially the main reason why we haven’t had success

That’s my view anyways
I like them all very much but I like the Leafs more.
What’s become very evident to me is that the club has allowed these three dictate how the club is run and not the other way around which is a massive error

I agree with all this, except the "I like them all very much" part.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don’t disagree but
They’re not letting their captain walk.
He actually plays in playoffs, not shy of tough situations, doesn’t avoid hard places on ice
If u want a culture change then u move one of the 3 top dogs. That least nylander and marner are very similar players outside 16 playing on the penalty kill
Those three player are the ones responsible for the sucess of this team and essentially the main reason why we haven’t had success

That’s my view anyways
I like them all very much but I like the Leafs more.
What’s become very evident to me is that the club has allowed these three dictate how the club is run and not the other way around which is a massive error

They don't need to let JT walk - sign him as a coach.

Nylander is faster and a better shot than Marner, and is now killing penalties (and doing a better job). He can also play centre.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Nylander sign and trade is an option that many would consider

 

[Gary Nylund]

What money? They will probably re-sign him to another joke of an extension at like 5 or 6 mil instead of letting him walk. And Marner will re-sign at 12+ probably. So yes, business as usual for eternity.

Welcome to another decade of irrelevance. Don't worry, it'll only feel like an eternity.

 

[arso40]

Matty got his contract based off of his goal scoring ability.

He is tops in the league.

Willy got his contract for his raw point production. Being a top 5 point getter in the league. League tops raw point producers do not go 3 games being pointless.

That was just plain stupid and you know it

 

[Menzinger]

They don't need to let JT walk - sign him as a coach.

Nylander is faster and a better shot than Marner, and is now killing penalties (and doing a better job). He can also play centre.

The funny thing is it's hardly unexpected that his production is going to increase given his ice time is now finally close.to being in line with the other main guys on the team.

It also becomes harder for the coaches to inexplicably consider putting him to the 2nd pp unit as they e frustratingly have in the past

 

[Drytoast]

That was just plain stupid and you know it

Oh you think that Matthews got 13 mil because he scored 106 points one season or is it because he's got two Rocket Richards a Heart and Rookie of the year as a two way center?

No please...take your time. Make a choice.

I assure you. You don't pay someone 13+ for 1 damn 106 point season out of 8. Because if you think that makes you = to McDavid, then you are the definition of stupid.

Matthew's worth is OBVIOUSLY his goal scoring ability.

Willy's worth was his points. It's not him being a 2 way center or his ability to score goals since he's only scored 40 once and never hit 90 points yet. No...it was because when he signed this shit deal he was tied for 3rd in the league in points. That was his worth. A playmaking winger who can hit 100+ points consistently is the assumption.

Our stupid GM and the fanboys of William Nylander got sold on 35 games. Pasternak (his comparable apparently) Had consistently put up better numbers in every category prior before he signed his contract.

We deserve to wallow in mediocrity.

 

[arso40]

Oh you think that Matthews got 13 mil because he scored 106 points one season or is it because he's got two Rocket Richards a Heart and Rookie of the year as a two way center?

No please...take your time. Make a choice.

I assure you. You don't pay someone 13+ for 1 damn 106 point season out of 8. Because if you think that makes you = to McDavid, then you are the definition of stupid.

Matthew's worth is OBVIOUSLY his goal scoring ability.

Willy's worth was his points. It's not him being a 2 way center or his ability to score goals since he's only scored 40 once and never hit 90 points yet. No...it was because when he signed this shit deal he was tied for 3rd in the league in points. That was his worth. A playmaking winger who can hit 100+ points consistently is the assumption.

Our stupid GM and the fanboys of William Nylander got sold on 35 games. Pasternak (his comparable apparently) Had consistently put up better numbers in every category prior before he signed his contract.

We deserve to wallow in mediocrity.

What I meant by that was regardless of expectation they’re both atleast 40 goal players if both player goes 3 games without a goal I expect the scrutiny to be the same you don’t give the 50 goal scorer a pass cause he’s scored more stay on top of them all

 

[TakeTheBody]

The team is better with him than without him of course in a vacuum, but that's not the issue.

Without him... What assets could you be getting back for him? And what else could you be doing with those dollars?

What if you could trade him for a solid top four defenseman and two 'high-ish' prospects. Maybe that top 4 defenseman is making half of what you're paying WN. Of course I don't know who's available, but something like that is not out of the question now. Why might that be good?

You get a top four defenseman. And you replace WN with a guy Who isn't as good but is making a lot less. Maybe that new guy plus a adequate defenseman is better than WM without that adequate defenseman.
Oh and why would two prospects be important if available? You could have NHL ready guys ready to step in the lineup in one or two years that are low cost, cost controlled... To offset what you're paying your other high priced guys.

I'm not taking the other side of the argument that signing him to that deal was a definite mistake and the club was dumb for doing it.... I'm just saying that saying they're better off with him than without him isn't the issue... It's what can you do with that money in addition to what could he get back in a trade that the comparison must be made to.

You can't do anything with the money until JT's contract is up. When Dubas signed him the die was cast. WE are stuck with four guys taking up too much salary cap. I agree a lot with what you said. But it doesnt matter unless one of the four is traded. That's not going to happen.

 

[Drytoast]

What I meant by that was regardless of expectation they’re both atleast 40 goal players if both player goes 3 games without a goal I expect the scrutiny to be the same you don’t give the 50 goal scorer a pass cause he’s scored more stay on top of them all

You don't spend 11.5 mil on a winger who scored 40 once.

Now you are being ridiculous.

 

[arso40]

You don't spend 11.5 mil on a winger who scored 40 once.

Now you are being ridiculous.

nobody said that I’m not even engaging in conversation with you think what you want feel how you feel good day

 

[Drytoast]

nobody said that I’m not even engaging in conversation with you think what you want feel how you feel good day

Because the idea that we're paying William nylander to score 40 goals so it's okay if he goes three games without a point is ridiculous.

he wasn't paid for that he was paid to put up points. if he's not putting up points he's not living up to the reason why we're paying him. it was never about goals.

 

[ruaware41]

William Nylander is that one guy who skips all the group meetings except the first and then shows up at the final presentation to make sure he gets his participation marks

 

[Dave92]

Enjoy 8 more years of this to the morons who think he deserved it

 

[ashs]

Should've been traded but we don't have the balls to do the right thing.