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What was the right contract?

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Larcos_Unal said:
Funny thing about Willie is the free pass he gets. The last 10 games he's stopped trying, Keefe even acknowledged that he's stopped playing and doesn't care about regular season.

Correct me if I'm wrong but he's getting paid to play in all 82 games is he not? He better f***ing bring it in the playoffs otherwise it's gonna be a bloodbath in the media.
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In Keefes defense, he's neutered by the big contracts with NMC's these guys have. There is nothing he can do but hope they perform.
 
darrylsittler27 said:
Clearly paying players for failure works. Torontos record proves that. Now lets go out, lose first round and then way overpay Marner giving him an NMC so he can float for 7 years.
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Ya I agree. Management never learns. Paying Nylander what they did and watching him avoid contact is disgusting. NMC's are a joke. Team caves in to their demands and then are in a pickle trying to move someone.
 
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Some perspective:

2021-22 season Huberdeau (CGY) scores 115 points for FLA as a career high. FLA trades him to CGY as part of the Tkachuk deal. CGY fans think that they've acquired the 115 point version of Huberdeau, so they celebrate Treliving like he's a GM god. Sadly they only got the 55-60 point Huberdeau. Now fans want to punt him out of town, and they love to rip Treliving (despite their short-term memory).

So is Nylander a 100 point forward? He is what he is. 100 points doesn't change anyone's opinion of him.

That being said he still had a very good season, and he's still a skilled player with or without a 100 point season.
 
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A lot of comparisons with Marner here, so I will stick with that.

Nylander will be overpaid next season, there is no getting around that. However, I am really impressed with Nylander's turnover numbers. He has had 50% more takeaways than giveaways this season. That shows great poise and awareness, and I think it adds to his defensive value too.

Marner on the other hand had more giveaways than takeaways. He shows no poise and just gives the puck away every time someone comes to hit him- he does this a lot.
 
ACC1224 said:
In Keefes defense, he's neutered by the big contracts with NMC's these guys have. There is nothing he can do but hope they perform.
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I disagree, he can bench them, he can scratch them, he can go full Torts on them and call them out in scrums. There's a lot of things he can do outside of defending them and coddling them like they're rookies.

The fact that Willie is signed for 8 years is even more reason to DEMAND more out of him.
 
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Larcos_Unal said:
I disagree, he can bench them, he can scratch them, he can go full Torts on them and call them out in scrums. There's a lot of things he can do outside of defending them and coddling them like they're rookies.

The fact that Willie is signed for 8 years is even more reason to DEMAND more out of him.
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You're not going to continually bench an 11m player, you'll end up out of work.
Players aren't going anywhere, Coaches can be replaced any time.
 
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ACC1224 said:
You're not going to continually bench an 11m player, you'll end up out of work.
Players aren't going anywhere, Coaches can be replaced any time.
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What do you think is gonna happen if you don't get an 11m player to play to his potential? You guessed it, you'll end up out of work.
 
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Larcos_Unal said:
What do you think is gonna happen if you don't get an 11m player to play to his potential? You guessed it, you'll end up out of work.
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11m players shouldn't need motivation, if they do it's better to get them to want to play for you than quit on you.
 
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Matthews4Calder said:
Ya I agree. Management never learns. Paying Nylander what they did and watching him avoid contact is disgusting. NMC's are a joke. Team caves in to their demands and then are in a pickle trying to move someone.
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Hate NMC /NTC.. you can have a big ticket contract or a lower ticket with a NTC/NMC not both....
 
ACC1224 said:
11m players shouldn't need motivation, if they do it's better to get them to want to play for you than quit on you.
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Every player needs motivation, some need more external motivation than others. you got internal and external motivators, if you are a person who needs his ass lit on fire constantly, nothing on god's green earth is going to make you internally motivated. MacKinnon, Crosby they are internally motivated, it's not often you see a coach having to light fires under their assess. Nylander who is as gifted as they come has a I dont give a s#it air about him... maybe he has a fire like no player but he does not outwardly show it, nothing Keefe can say or do to make Nylander change who he is. External motivation only lasts short term, internal never dies. Teams pay for goals not attitudes.
 
Matthews4Calder said:
Ya I agree. Management never learns. Paying Nylander what they did and watching him avoid contact is disgusting. NMC's are a joke. Team caves in to their demands and then are in a pickle trying to move someone.
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He doesn't hit, but that's not the same as 'avoid contact'. He has taken more hits than Matthews, Marner, and Domi.
 
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Gilmour1996 said:
Maybe MLSE can give free tickets to 1000 Swedish fans every game. Willie seemed to play with a bit more heart in Sweden but I think he left his heart over there.
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Sweden has more engaged and syncronised crowds then NHL. Even if they are way less seats in the arena. So i belive the whole team would benefit from that.
 
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I'd like to see him with a couple of younger players next year.

Let them develop chemistry and future.

Matthews - marner is always going to be a thing.

Retiring Tavares - Nylander doesn't have to be.
 
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darrylsittler27 said:
Clearly paying players for failure works. Torontos record proves that. Now lets go out, lose first round and then way overpay Marner giving him an NMC so he can float for 7 years.
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you don't need a crystal ball to realize this will happen whether they get swept in the first round or go deep, overpaying under performers is what the Leafs do.............
 
Larcos_Unal said:
I disagree, he can bench them, he can scratch them, he can go full Torts on them and call them out in scrums. There's a lot of things he can do outside of defending them and coddling them like they're rookies.

The fact that Willie is signed for 8 years is even more reason to DEMAND more out of him.
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never happen as long as Shanahan is here to protect his divas from the criticism they deserve when they mail it in..........
 
Larcos_Unal said:
Funny thing about Willie is the free pass he gets. The last 10 games he's stopped trying, Keefe even acknowledged that he's stopped playing and doesn't care about regular season.
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He carried the team for the majority of this regular season, maybe that is why? 🤔
 
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Not exactly fitting with the current time of the thread, but Nylander has now set three back to back to back career seasons.

ULF_55 said:
I'd like to see him with a couple of younger players next year.

Let them develop chemistry and future.

Matthews - marner is always going to be a thing.

Retiring Tavares - Nylander doesn't have to be.
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Get him with guys with speed..and stop using him as the 1st guy you experiment with. Get a line that can build chemistry
 
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Hellcat said:
Hate NMC /NTC.. you can have a big ticket contract or a lower ticket with a NTC/NMC not both....
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I find it puzzling that a NMC isn't being negotiated as a function of contract competiteveness. Discounts should be given a NMC. Full value and plus...none. without getting into whether Willy deserves his contract or not, most agree he is at the least near the top end of what the market will bear. It isn't personal...it's business.
 
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