Proposal: NYI tear-down (Pick Acquisition)

[miscs75]

That's not the reasonning.
The premise of the OP is IF Isles rebuild, this is a good offer inline with the goal, from a team who is a good dancing partner because it has those pieces.
No one said you have to.
No one said Mailloux has to be the main piece, or even included.

The offer is still terrible for the Isles. To give up Barzal and only get back middle of the road 1sts and your included in every trade defensive prospect who doesn’t move the needle doesn’t do it. Theres no real way to try and reason it otherwise.
If the Islanders rebuild, Mailloux (even if he was drafted in the 1st round 4 seasons ago) isn’t really of interest. Replace him with Hage to start and then we can talk. You guys keep asking for all these prices while keeping the whole roster intact and essentially putting everyone on the untouchable list except for your cap dumps in Matheson and Laine or the damaged goods forward you overpaid for in Dach really isn’t helping the cause. Look at teams in the past, they’ve moved out core pieces to upgrade the roster in other areas. Not just trading off the castaway pile.

 

[Grinner]

I guess we will see !

Perhaps. I'm not sure the Islanders move Horvat at all this offseason

 

[Chose]

The offer is still terrible for the Isles. To give up Barzal and only get back middle of the road 1sts and your included in every trade defensive prospect who doesn’t move the needle doesn’t do it. Theres no real way to try and reason it otherwise.
If the Islanders rebuild, Mailloux (even if he was drafted in the 1st round 4 seasons ago) isn’t really of interest. Replace him with Hage to start and then we can talk. You guys keep asking for all these prices while keeping the whole roster intact and essentially putting everyone on the untouchable list except for your cap dumps in Matheson and Laine or the damaged goods forward you overpaid for in Dach really isn’t helping the cause. Look at teams in the past, they’ve moved out core pieces to upgrade the roster in other areas. Not just trading off the castaway pile.

We've been including Hage in several offers from several different posters, yet, you have this obsession on Mailloux...

 

[miscs75]

You make it sound like it's only the Habs who think the best move for the Islanders is to rebuild. I think your focus is narrowed into Habs trash talk. You can clearly see a trend

Can't remember but was it you calling the 16th and 17th pick spare parts? (not sure). Those posters need to be attacked equally as they spit out their ignorant comments. Some of you can't comprehend how big the Habs fan base is and the varying opinions you see out there. There is always a lot of Habs traffic on these boards.

It's not rocket science. If the Islanders want to rebuild, they need to trade assets now to get futures and stock pile them (like the Habs did in the last 7 drafts). It's their decision to make but if they do, the Habs will be one of the teams they call. You might not like this but it's reality. We have picks to sell and they are not back of the buss 1st rounders.

There’s only been 2 fanbases on here constantly pushing the same trades for the Islanders top of the roster pieces and they’re both from Canada. One was offering Myino and the other is offering Mailloux. Neither really move the needle.
It’s spare parts in the sense your constantly pushing quantity for quality trades while trying to downgrade the quality to fit into your narrative. If most people are saying 16+17 aren’t enough to move up high enough in this draft, why would they be enough to fix your 2C issues.

 

[impaaaaaact]

That's not the reasonning.
The premise of the OP is IF Isles rebuild (it is sort of one of their main option, isn't it ?), this is a good offer inline with the goal, from a team who is a good dancing partner because it has those pieces.
No one said you have to.
No one said Mailloux has to be the main piece, or even included.

it's extremely not our main option. We're not the starting from scratch like the Hawks or the Sharks. We have a bunch of great pieces in place already, and UFAs ready to be shipped out by new management. There isn't any reason for us to be shopping Barzal or Sorokin or really Horvat unless we're blown away.

Lou reportedly turned down a 2027 first for Pageau at the deadline - this is just to illustrate that there is a market for him. Lee is a power forward and captain who is good for 25-ish goals a year. He'll be worth a first at the deadline if we retain. Combine that with the Nelson trade and the lottery win and there's your retool.

2026 comes and we have at least 3 players on ELCs and a bunch of cap space for the craziest FA pool in recent memory. There will be no full tear down.

 

[miscs75]

We've been including Hage in several offers from several different posters, yet, you have this obsession on Mailloux...

That’s because it’s fallen back to including him in about 90% of the deals unless the Isles move out Barzal and Dobson or Horvat and Dobson. If I’m moving out a top 6C, I want a prospect with a similar potential trajectory coming back, not the defenseman who shouldn’t have been drafted.

 

[seabass45]

Perhaps. I'm not sure the Islanders move Horvat at all this offseason

Worth noting he has a full NTC.

 

[Habs Halifax]

There’s only been 2 fanbases on here constantly pushing the same trades for the Islanders top of the roster pieces and they’re both from Canada. One was offering Myino and the other is offering Mailloux. Neither really move the needle.
It’s spare parts in the sense your constantly pushing quantity for quality trades while trying to downgrade the quality to fit into your narrative. If most people are saying 16+17 aren’t enough to move up high enough in this draft, why would they be enough to fix your 2C issues.

Well in my books, a 16th and 17th pick is exactly what teams look for in rebuilds. So the connection is not far fetched.

In case you didn't notice... both the Canucks and Habs fan base would have some fans saying the connection or trade idea is just not lined up. You do see this at times in other threads when the trade idea is far fetched. You see a less of that in this thread right?

The spare parts narrative reply is getting old (cheap talk). Some fans need to choose their words more wisely than copy catting others who basically throw jabs all the time.

 

[Chose]

There’s only been 2 fanbases on here constantly pushing the same trades for the Islanders top of the roster pieces and they’re both from Canada. One was offering Myino and the other is offering Mailloux. Neither really move the needle.
It’s spare parts in the sense your constantly pushing quantity for quality trades while trying to downgrade the quality to fit into your narrative. If most people are saying 16+17 aren’t enough to move up high enough in this draft, why would they be enough to fix your 2C issues.

We understood your point and offered Hage, can we have a conversation not mentionning Mailloux now ?
He was the spare part in those offers.

 

[miscs75]

Well in my books, a 16th and 17th pick is exactly what teams look for in rebuilds. So the connection is not far fetched.

In case you didn't notice... both the Canucks and Habs fan base would have some fans saying the connection or trade idea is just not lined up. You do see this at times in other threads when the trade idea is far fetched. You see a less of that in this thread right?

The spare parts narrative reply is getting old (cheap talk). Some fans need to choose their words more wisely than copy catting others who basically throw jabs all the time.

Those middle to late 1sts are usually the trade deadline pieces used to acquire players for the playoffs. They could help the rebuild but really don’t impress me one bit to move out major pieces of the core without sending out Engvall and Duclair in the deal.
There could be a connection but in both cases the deals have been quantity for quality and the quantity doesn’t really make the Islanders better unless it’s a 5 year wait and that’s not even worth it in the end.
Point is the Islanders need to make changes but trading out the new core while keeping the aging core that’s been part of the country club atmosphere for too long is a massive mistake.

 

[miscs75]

We understood your point and offered Hage, can we have a conversation not mentionning Mailloux now ?
He was the spare part in those offers.

I’ve put Hage into offers and gotten told no because he’s too valuable. I’d take Hage back since he projects in the same track as Eiserman and Nelson at this rate. With the Islanders keeping one of Barzal/Horvat, they can run in 2-3 years (including Hage): Barzal or Horvat as a 1C, then Ritchie and Hage as the 2C/3C (no idea who would wind up in either spot).

 

[Chose]

I’ve put Hage into offers and gotten told no because he’s too valuable. I’d take Hage back since he projects in the same track as Eiserman and Nelson at this rate. With the Islanders keeping one of Barzal/Horvat, they can run in 2-3 years (including Hage): Barzal or Horvat as a 1C, then Ritchie and Hage as the 2C/3C (no idea who would wind up in either spot).

I've seen many Habs fan in this thread willing to trade Hage in that sort of deal. I've read one who was very vocal agains't it. You do you and think this represents the fan base.
So what would you think would be fair around Hage + 17th for Horvat ?

 

[miscs75]

I've seen many Habs fan in this thread willing to trade Hage in that sort of deal.
So what would you think would be fair around Hage + 17th for Horvat ?

That as a basis is fine, if anything the mid round pick as an add in with Hage and the 17th but my biggest thing is no cap dump as an offset for the salary. If the Islanders move on from Horvat, it would have to be to give the youth a chance to play and not get a guy like video game master Laine as a one year sulking stopgap to waste a spot that could be used for someone who should get a shot.

 

[Chose]

That as a basis is fine, if anything the mid round pick as an add in with Hage and the 17th but my biggest thing is no cap dump as an offset for the salary. If the Islanders move on from Horvat, it would have to be to give the youth a chance to play and not get a guy like video game master Laine as a one year sulking stopgap to waste a spot that could be used for someone who should get a shot.

Imagine that, we were able to come to an agreement !

 

[GTA]

don't like it? don't ask then.

The poster you are replying to didn’t write the original message - looks like you’re confusing people.

 

[Chose]

Isles accept

Another one was accepted by a Isles fan here around Hage + 17th, so I guess we can safely evaluate this is Horvat's ballpark value for both fan bases.
(KH will not fuss over a 3rd or best of our 4th round picks being added if it comes to that & I wouldn't be loosing sleep on it either)

 

[Coach Parker]

IF Hagens dropped to Boston at the 7th Overall, would the Islanders entertain moving Barzal for the 7th Overall and one of Mittelstadt/Zacha? They get Hagens for the future and one of those two as their 2nd line C for the next two years.

 

[miscs75]

IF Hagens dropped to Boston at the 7th Overall, would the Islanders entertain moving Barzal for the 7th Overall and one of Mittelstadt/Zacha? They get Hagens for the future and one of those two as their 2nd line C for the next two years.

No


*edit: both Mittelstadt and Zacha have too much term (and make too much) for any sort of interest nor do I wany Mittelstadt anywhere near the lineup after telling Avs fans no 365000000 times with the rumored trades for Brock Nelson. Zacha doesn't move the needle either. Only way I see Barzal moved for that Hagens deal is if the piece(s) besides Hagens are much better then a 3c who's forced up the lineup.

 

[impaaaaaact]

IF Hagens dropped to Boston at the 7th Overall, would the Islanders entertain moving Barzal for the 7th Overall and one of Mittelstadt/Zacha? They get Hagens for the future and one of those two as their 2nd line C for the next two years.

Definitely not

 

[Glorydays22]

A team who hasn’t been relevant since the 80s with your attitude is wild to me

everyone has their opinions and right to read or not to read...

 

[pth2]

I like Ehlers a lot too but I prefer to target skill/skating/size types at this stage. Habs have enough skating/skill. If the right fit is not there, stay put and keep focusing on drafting/development.

Still, adding a high talent forward so Demidov isn't trying to create something alone would a good plan B if nothing else comes up.

 

[elitepete]

Very different for both players

Willander + 1st for Dobson?

Pulock for a 1st?

 

[miscs75]

Willander + 1st for Dobson?

Pulock for a 1st?

Isles pass.

 

[saintunspecified]

I really don't think Islanders are going to rebuild. Removing all extenuating circumstances (principally the hometown Hagens thing) here is what the Islanders should do:

Pre-Draft: Get a handle on negotiations for Dobson, Romanov, and Holmstrom. Getting stuck with bad contracts there could hurt them long term - they have to get those right. (The Coronato contract is kind of worrisome if its a comparable to Holmstrom.) Then shop them at the draft. I think shopping Dobson is the most likely scenario, but it could happen to any of the 3.

At the Draft: Draft Schaefer, and shop any RFA with whom negotiations go poorly. Also shop Pelech, retaining salary if necessary. Shop Pulock only if Dobson is squared away (no retention).

Then NYI need to rebuild their 4th line and penalty kill. Getting a PPQB (Dobson has been meh at best) would be solved with Schaefer. And, yeah, I think he could play in the NHL in a sheltered role to start.

NYI aren't nearly as bad in the near term as people might think. They could use a dynamic winger, for sure, but they needed that when they were in conference finals, too.

 

[miscs75]

Then NYI need to rebuild their 4th line and penalty kill. Getting a PPQB (Dobson has been meh at best) would be solved with Schaefer. And, yeah, I think he could play in the NHL in a sheltered role to start.

The PPQB is there in TDA. He did provide a dynamic of urgency to the power play and tired to open it up even if the rest of them looked like the life skills class in a Walmart. I’d say besides the 4th line, they need 1-2 quality pieces for the top 6 to essentially push Lee down to the 3rd line unless he’s moved. Those bottom six line wingers are at an abundance this year and I’d be worried about overpaying for that over Holmstrom.