Proposal: NYI tear-down (Pick Acquisition)

[Cool Hand Puke]

oh that's right, no one else would either. LOL...sorry

I’m not talking about rejecting the trades… I would too… but the attitude is wild.

 

[impaaaaaact]

The idea is that it would be Mayfield/Pulock/Mailloux

If we assume anyone > 25 is not going to be part of the 'next core' of the Islanders, your prospects are:

Eiserman (W)
Dufour (W)
Ritchie (C)
+
Pulkkinen and Odelius (D)?

In 5 years, the only current Islanders outside of those named above we would expect to see on the roster is Dobson if he signs a 7-8yr extension and maybe Holmstrom.

Yes, the Islanders could grab Schaefer and just keep chugging along with a mini-retool to hopefully build a team good enough to get over the hump - you definitely have some of the right pieces to be a perpetual wild card threat - but the moment Barzal/Horvat/Pelech/Pulock/Sorokin age out, if you were somehow a relevant wild-card team for the previous 4 years, your prospect pool will still be absolutely barren.

The next two drafts have McDavid/Matthews level talents at the top - and if there's an opportunity to completely replenish your depth, and realistically have a good chance at two top flight prospects - why not is really my question?

Isles are minus Nelson already, may not sign Palmieri, and will likely trade at least one of Pageau and Lee this summer. That’s 3 of their top four goal scorers and their best defensive center.

They’re going to be ass next season without trading Horvat or Barzal and they already won the lottery. One more year of being ass + the returns from those players are basically a minimal pain rebuild. No reason to send the franchise into a spiral

 

[Glorydays22]

I’m not talking about rejecting the trades… I would too… but the attitude is wild.

I guess you didn't see the comment I responded to....
Thats fine, everyone has their opinion but here fans don't like when isles shoot back a smart ass comment. It's ok, we take all the jabs.

 

[Cool Hand Puke]

I guess you didn't see the comment I responded to....
Thats fine, everyone has their opinion but here fans don't like when isles shoot back a smart ass comment. It's ok, we take all the jabs.

A team who hasn’t been relevant since the 80s with your attitude is wild to me

 

[Habs Halifax]

Might as well try to sign Ehlers, instead.

I like Ehlers a lot too but I prefer to target skill/skating/size types at this stage. Habs have enough skating/skill. If the right fit is not there, stay put and keep focusing on drafting/development.

 

[Habs Halifax]

So why are you bickering with me?

I'd do

Hage + 17th + Dach (1 year cap/roster)

For
Horvat + latest 2nd/3rd this year or next

Trading Hage before he turns pro could be a massive mistake. The guy lead his NCAA team this year in his 1st season. Prospects are never sure shot assets but Hage is on a very good track and trading him before he turns pro might lead to another Sergachev situation. Other fans will say we overrate (garbage trash talk stuff) but we just don't know. All we know is he is developing very well and has skill/size/skating... something you should not give up to easily. Most fans would say the same if they had this asset.

If 16th and 17th and a B+ type prospect don't work for Horvat, I pass. Rather throw money at Duchene for 2 or 3 years (less disruptive to our youth build-up).

 

[DavidVolek]

As an Islander fan I will salivate over a complete re-build and getting maximum value for everyone over 25 including Sorokin but I know that isn't going to happen because I am sure our owners are not interested in a re-build and the potential lost revenue from the drop off in attendance and no playoffs, and depending on who our new GM is I wouldn't be surprised if they are not interested in a re-build as well especially if it is an established guy who is over 55

 

[wedge]

Habs trading for Barzal is something a GM like Dubas would do. Great offensive talent but not the piece the Habs need.

if he didn't have that contract, Horvat is the player I would target. I agree with you.

 

[Habs Halifax]

if he didn't have that contract, Horvat is the player I would target. I agree with you.

I'm not totally afraid of his age 30-36 contract at $8.5M but the trade value needs to be in line with a declining 30+ asset. It's not like he was a 80 pts player in his prime and you are expecting 50-60 in his 30+ years. He's a career 57 pts center who does the little things well. There has to be expectation on a little setback in his 30+ years and his trade value has to be in line with this. He's tracking to be on a contract where he is slightly overpaid in the next 6 years.

Interested in Horvat but not desperate. Habs can easily throw money at Duchene for 2 or 3 years and it's less disruption to our youth build-up... we get to keep our futures. If Duchene don't want to sign or wants to stay in Dallas, Habs can stay put and see how much growth we get from Newhook and Dach. It's not like there will not be other players we can trade for at a later date (even in season next year or at the TDL). We did make the playoffs without Dach

 

[Habs Halifax]

As an Islander fan I will salivate over a complete re-build and getting maximum value for everyone over 25 including Sorokin but I know that isn't going to happen because I am sure our owners are not interested in a re-build and the potential lost revenue from the drop off in attendance and no playoffs, and depending on who our new GM is I wouldn't be surprised if they are not interested in a re-build as well especially if it is an established guy who is over 55

Rebuilds are not easy decisions to make as owners. You got to have a loyal fan base to keep fans in the seats and still generate some form of revenue. Plus, Rebuilds are not sure shot contenders in 5+ years. There has been many teams stuck in rebuild or mid pack range for 10 years or more.

However, if you do decide to rebuild and you have exciting young players on the roster, fans will support this IMO. You just can't have a complete trash roster with nothing for fans to be excited about.... regardless of wins/losses.

If the Islanders want to become a top 5 or top 10 team, a rebuild is required. If the Islanders want to become a mid pack team chasing the playoffs year after year, they can easily do that which they have for years now. At some point, you get tired of it and I believe they are at that spot now.

Islanders were rumored to be knocking on the door with Gorton from the Habs so you got to believe they are looking at the job he has done with our rebuild and are thinking that is the right direction?

 

[VancouverJagger]

I'm hoping the Isles go the rebuild route as both Horvat and Barzal are players the Nucks would be super interested in. Def. our first plus top prospect plus young roster player At min for both of those players and even then there will probably be teams that can beat our offers.

 

[Chose]

There's another trade here from a Habs fan involving those pieces (in this case we have the pleasure of losing Sorokin and Mayfield too). They keep getting offered and the message is clear at this point: they're very disposable pieces you think you can use to get a significantly better player. Mailloux has baggage and if the draft were deeper you wouldn't feel as comfortable trading both first rounders.

That's the point were you are wrong.
We are very comfortable trading those two assets because of where we are in our rebuild and our recent success. We know we are holes to fill, and we have identified those two valuable assets as being worthy of trying to land one of those needed pieces.
If the draft was deeper and they had more value, we would still dangle them in the hope to land an even better asset.
Bookmark this: One or the two picks will be traded for immediate help at 2C or RHD.

 

[miscs75]

That's the point were you are wrong.
We are very comfortable trading those two assets because of where we are in our rebuild and our recent success. We know we are holes to fill, and we have identified those two valuable assets as being worthy of trying to land one of those needed pieces.
If the draft was deeper and they had more value, we would still dangle them in the hope to land an even better asset.
Bookmark this: One or the two picks will be traded for immediate help at 2C or RHD.

Neither however will be from the Islanders.

 

[Chose]

to be clear I AM a Habs fan - I don't think this is a biased proposal, though; Barzal is coming off an injury and has been playing LW more than C for the past couple of seasons - he's also about to turn 28 and has a big cap hit. If the Habs are asked to pay more, there are presumably better fits available around the league.

Oh, I had misread the OP !

 

[Chose]

Neither however will be from the Islanders.

That's fair.

 

[Chose]

My stance is that 16/17 and Mailloux doesn’t impress me enough to start gutting the core. It’s the quantity for quality trade your posters keep insisting on. It’s borderline the definition of insanity at this point. The Islanders if they were to move out the core and sell could get much better prospects then Mailloux for core pieces. Let’s circle back when the offer actually makes sense to improve the Islanders both in the short and longterm.

Can you kindly remind us the price you paid for Horvat not so long ago ?

 

[Grinner]

Can you kindly remind us the price you paid for Horvat not so long ago ?

Which has absolutely nothing to do with today

 

[miscs75]

Can you kindly remind us the price you paid for Horvat not so long ago ?

Still doesn’t matter. No resson to move Horvat simply because Montreal needs a 2C and their fanbase on here is convinced Islanders need to sell off the whole roster.

 

[impaaaaaact]

The Isles just received the #1 benefit of a rebuild without needing to be terrible. It's also arguable that they could have finished in the playoffs if Barzal hadn't missed 3/4s of the year, and if we didn't go through like a 10 game stretch with 5/6 D men out.

Isles can trade UFAs Pageau and Lee and receive picks still, either at the draft or at the deadline. They already got a great return for Nelson. There's no reason to completely tear it down.

They will likely be bad next season and then will get a youth infusion over the next few, with veteran presence and a high end goaltender already in place. They'll be in a great position to make a splash in 2026 free agency, with likely Schaefer, Eiserman, Ritchie, and maybe Danny Nelson all on the NHL roster on ELCs. That's where their window should start.

 

[Chose]

Which has absolutely nothing to do with today

Indeed, he is 2 years older and on a huge contract now.

 

[Chose]

Still doesn’t matter. No resson to move Horvat simply because Montreal needs a 2C and their fanbase on here is convinced Islanders need to sell off the whole roster.

That's not the reasonning.
The premise of the OP is IF Isles rebuild (it is sort of one of their main option, isn't it ?), this is a good offer inline with the goal, from a team who is a good dancing partner because it has those pieces.
No one said you have to.
No one said Mailloux has to be the main piece, or even included.

 

[Grinner]

Indeed, he is 2 years older and on a huge contract now.

Well the Market isn't the same. Teams have money to spend.
Horvats play in that time might have either increased or decreased his value.

 

[Chose]

Well the Market isn't the same. Teams have money to spend.
Horvats play in that time might have either increased or decreased his value.

I guess we will see !

 

[Chose]

So why are you bickering with me?

I'd do

Hage + 17th + Dach (1 year cap/roster)

For
Horvat + latest 2nd/3rd this year or next

Like many Habs fan, I'd do Hage too if it brought us a quality 2C now.

Hage + 17th for Horvat would be my offer.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Still doesn’t matter. No resson to move Horvat simply because Montreal needs a 2C and their fanbase on here is convinced Islanders need to sell off the whole roster.

You make it sound like it's only the Habs who think the best move for the Islanders is to rebuild. I think your focus is narrowed into Habs trash talk. You can clearly see a trend

Can't remember but was it you calling the 16th and 17th pick spare parts? (not sure). Those posters need to be attacked equally as they spit out their ignorant comments. Some of you can't comprehend how big the Habs fan base is and the varying opinions you see out there. There is always a lot of Habs traffic on these boards.

It's not rocket science. If the Islanders want to rebuild, they need to trade assets now to get futures and stock pile them (like the Habs did in the last 7 drafts). It's their decision to make but if they do, the Habs will be one of the teams they call. You might not like this but it's reality. We have picks to sell and they are not back of the buss 1st rounders.