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Proposal: NYI tear-down (Pick Acquisition)

Mackiaveli

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If the new GM views the 1OA jump as an opportunity to tear it down to the studs and do a 3-year rebuild around the McKenna/Dupont drafts, the Islanders seem like they are in a unique position to capitalize as they have a bunch of desirable assets on reasonable contracts.

Trade 1: (Optional)

NYI Receive: 2OA, Dallas 2025 1st
SJS Receive: 1OA

This gives NYI an additional pick to stock the cupboards, and lets them go with Misa @ 2 if they really want to focus on shoring up their core forward group, but I think I'd still pick Schaefer at 1.

Trade 2:

NYI Receive: 16OA, 17OA, Habs 2026 2nd, Mailloux
Habs Receive: Barzal, NYI 2025 2nd

Islanders move Barzal, and acquire back-to-back mid 1st round picks + an RHD prospect with Top 4 upside.

The swap of 2nds gives MTL an extra pick this year to move back into the 1st potentially, and gives the Islanders a 2nd next year (which, they currently have 0)

Trade 3:

NYI Receive: 4OA, Kesselring, Crouse
Utah Receive: Dobson, Horvat

Utah get the big 2C they need, and give themselves a legit top 4D group.

Islanders get to draft Hagens @ 4OA - further solidifying what will almost overnight go from a middle-of-the-pack prospect pool to one of the best in hockey.
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With 16/17OA from MTL, the Islanders could look to move up for another top 10 splash (PIT/McQueen?) or continue to fill in the gaps with some good-upside prospects like Lakovic, Hensler, etc.

The Islanders could really blow it up and move Pulock/Pelech/Sorokin, but I think the fanbase would really struggle with a full fire sale like that - this feels somewhere in the middle, where they can position themselves to draft well for the next couple years and become the next MTL/SJS/ANA
 
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Glorydays22 said:
That's a no on all 3 from the isles.
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May I ask why?

If there is even the remotest of inclinations to draft Hagens, being able to secure both Schaefer @ 1 and Hagens @ 4 feels like a no-brainer.

Habs and Utah both in need of Cs/RHDs and both have valuable pick capital (4OA / 16OA+17OA) which makes them seem like great natural trade partners.

Would you prefer the Islanders take Schaefer and try to just continue with the group they have?
 
Mackiaveli said:
May I ask why?

If there is even the remotest of inclinations to draft Hagens, being able to secure both Schaefer @ 1 and Hagens @ 4 feels like a no-brainer.

Habs and Utah both in need of Cs/RHDs and both have valuable pick capital (4OA / 16OA+17OA) which makes them seem like great natural trade partners.

Would you prefer the Islanders take Schaefer and try to just continue with the group they have?
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#1 trade - Not enough to lose out on Schaefer. If sharks are offering this they want him.

#2 trade - Again, value is not that in a weak draft for a proven, in his prime Barzal.

#3 - If we are moving Both, we are better of trading them in separate deals, can get more value.
 
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Habs would have more interest in Horvat than Barzal. Horvat is a left handed shot and plays a grittier game, and a genuine top 6 center. Barzal is a winger and not the guy the Habs would targeting with all those pieces.

Now if the Isles are willing to move Horvat, I’m sure both firsts and Mailloux would be on the table but the Habs would probably want to make it bigger to include Pulock in the deal and get all their shopping done at the same time.

I’d counter with -

To New York Islanders: two 2025 1st round picks, Jayden Struble, and Logan Mailloux

To Montreal Canadiens: Bo Horvat and Ryan Pulock.
 
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Glorydays22 said:
#2 trade - Again, value is not that in a weak draft for a proven, in his prime Barzal.
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Barzal is coming off a shortened season, and hasn't played since February. He's also at least recently trended more as a Winger than a C (I think this is just because he sucks in the dot more than anything else) ... I think that 16 + 17OA in terms of value (draft class aside) is usually equivalent to something in the 7-10 range, which is about where I'd put Barzal.

You also get Mailloux who was likely a top 15-20 talent in his draft year who only went as late as he did because he was a moron.


Glorydays22 said:
If we are moving Both, we are better of trading them in separate deals, can get more value.
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In a vacuum, I totally agree - but my goal in this proposal was to ensure the Islanders get Misa/Schaefer AND the hometown boy Hagens; you are not getting 4OA 1:1 for either player, and I suspect Utah wants players NOT futures or prospects which makes the Islanders one of the few teams that make sense to really push for the pick.

Appreciate that you have a differing opinion though, just sharing my perspective as a neutral fan.
 
Beendair Donedat said:
Habs would have more interest in Horvat than Barzal. Horvat is a left handed shot and plays a grittier game, and a genuine top 6 center. Barzal is a winger and not the guy the Habs would targeting with all those pieces.

Now if the Isles are willing to move Horvat, I’m sure both firsts and Mailloux would be on the table but the Habs would probably want to make it bigger to include Pulock in the deal and get all their shopping done at the same time.

I’d counter with -

To New York Islanders: two 2025 1st round picks, Jayden Struble, and Logan Mailloux

To Montreal Canadiens: Bo Horvat and Ryan Pulock.
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again, I would decline. Not moving multiple pieces in 1 deal. I'm going to trade both separately. There are a bunch of teams interested in both.
 
Mackiaveli said:
*Not an Islanders fan*

If the new GM views the 1OA jump as an opportunity to tear it down to the studs and do a 3-year rebuild around the McKenna/Dupont drafts, the Islanders seem like they are in a unique position to capitalize as they have a bunch of desirable assets on reasonable contracts.

Trade 1: (Optional)

NYI Receive: 2OA, Dallas 2025 1st
SJS Receive: 1OA

This gives NYI an additional pick to stock the cupboards, and lets them go with Misa @ 2 if they really want to focus on shoring up their core forward group, but I think I'd still pick Schaefer at 1.

Trade 2:

NYI Receive: 16OA, 17OA, Habs 2026 2nd, Mailloux
Habs Receive: Barzal, NYI 2025 2nd

Islanders move Barzal, and acquire back-to-back mid 1st round picks + an RHD prospect with Top 4 upside.

The swap of 2nds gives MTL an extra pick this year to move back into the 1st potentially, and gives the Islanders a 2nd next year (which, they currently have 0)

Trade 3:

NYI Receive: 4OA, Kesselring, Crouse
Utah Receive: Dobson, Horvat

Utah get the big 2C they need, and give themselves a legit top 4D group.

Islanders get to draft Hagens @ 4OA - further solidifying what will almost overnight go from a middle-of-the-pack prospect pool to one of the best in hockey.
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With 16/17OA from MTL, the Islanders could look to move up for another top 10 splash (PIT/McQueen?) or continue to fill in the gaps with some good-upside prospects like Lakovic, Hensler, etc.

The Islanders could really blow it up and move Pulock/Pelech/Sorokin, but I think the fanbase would really struggle with a full fire sale like that - this feels somewhere in the middle, where they can position themselves to draft well for the next couple years and become the next MTL/SJS/ANA
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Trade 1 seems fine, Prob cost a bit more for the sharks to move up tho

Trade 2: Dont think it makes a ton of sense for islanders.... i think if you move Barzel you prob want a more premium piece... mallouix is whatever, the 16/17 are alright but i imagine teams would make more practical trades.

Trade 3: Seems like too many moving parts.
 
Really don’t get these posts where we have to strip the core to the bones, particularly after basically getting a franchise player for free. Interested in #4 but Dobson AND Horvat is an awfully steep price to get it. Habs offer is becoming the Ryder, Halak, and a second of our time.
 
seabass45 said:
Really don’t get these posts where we have to strip the core to the bones, particularly after basically getting a franchise player for free. Interested in #4 but Dobson AND Horvat is an awfully steep price to get it. Habs offer is becoming the Ryder, Halak, and a second of our time.
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LOL, except it was not posted by a Habs fan, who sort of confirmed our thought on the value.
 
I don't think Isles would draft Schaefer. I think they pick Hagens and get their home grown superstar.

Having said that, if they do draft Schaefer, does that make Pelech or Romanov expendable? Isles fans, what would the cost of either of them be?
 
I would add an additional sweetener like Halttunen to the Dallas pick to get Schaefer (maybe an agreement with NY to take a forward so they don't lose out on the luster of picking 1st overall?).
 
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seabass45 said:
Really don’t get these posts where we have to strip the core to the bones, particularly after basically getting a franchise player for free. Interested in #4 but Dobson AND Horvat is an awfully steep price to get it. Habs offer is becoming the Ryder, Halak, and a second of our time.
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If you think 16th and 17th OA & Mailloux is a Ryder & Halak offer from the past, you are only making yourself reach with your belittle narrative. This type of stuff is garbage context and needs to be avoided.

I would say 75% of the Habs fans base rather try to trade for Horvat than Barzal. Not because we don't like Barzal but because Horvat is probably cheaper and fits our needs better. We will continue to offer futures base trades (like it or not). Just decline with respect vs trying to belittle because some fans are only here to make fun of others regardless of how close or far the offers are.

16th and 17th OA are not spare parts. Any fan trying to spit it that way are reaching.
 
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JohanFranzenstein said:
I don't think Isles would draft Schaefer. I think they pick Hagens and get their home grown superstar.

Having said that, if they do draft Schaefer, does that make Pelech or Romanov expendable? Isles fans, what would the cost of either of them be?
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Romanov will hopefully be signed to a long term deal this year. Pelech imo would become available eventually.

Isles left side in 2-3 years could be

Romanov
Schaefer
George

Obviously things don’t ever go according to plan and anything can happen but I’d bet on keeping Romanov over Pelech
 
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JohanFranzenstein said:
I don't think Isles would draft Schaefer. I think they pick Hagens and get their home grown superstar.

Having said that, if they do draft Schaefer, does that make Pelech or Romanov expendable? Isles fans, what would the cost of either of them be?
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Romanov isn’t getting moved but Pelech I’d assume is expendable but not for anything comparable in term coming back. Ideally futures would be the best. If it involves a contract, someone on a one year deal is acceptable but not trading him for another defenseman with a contract ending in 2030.
 
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Captain97 said:
Barzal is young enough for a quick rebuild around Scahefer and Dobson. They should keep him.

But as a Habs fan I'd offer a lot for Horvat + Pulock
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Would it be better then this years 1sts and Mailloux with filler pieces to offset? If it is in terms of quality, possibly. If it’s that with more of those filler pieces then absolute not. Not interested in Dach (or other damaged goods), Matheson or Laine in return even if it’s cap purposes.
 
miscs75 said:
Romanov isn’t getting moved but Pelech I’d assume is expendable but not for anything comparable in term coming back. Ideally futures would be the best. If it involves a contract, someone on a one year deal is acceptable but not trading him for another defenseman with a contract ending in 2030.
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Pelech for 13OA?
 
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