Tundra
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Lundqvist is a great goaltender but the rangers tend to over-rely on him. If you can get bodies in front, you should be able to rack up goals.
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Lundqvist is a great goaltender but the rangers tend to over-rely on him. If you can get bodies in front, you should be able to rack up goals.
Tundra
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because they rely so much on him. In the game 7 against the penguins, he was under absolute siege for the second half of that game. He came through but if you keep chipping at him, eventually that rangers team will crumble. Lundqvist isn't a robot.
Rumpelstiltskin
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I don't go to all that many games live these days, but the bolded are names that I seem to recall seeing frequently over the past 4-5 years, and I can't ever remember thinking "These guys are way off" (or, put another way: Mike Hasenfrantz and Dennis LaRue, they ain't)...
Richie Rich
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Not here to gloat or say that the Rangers shouldn't be considered underdogs, in fact I agree that they should be big underdogs, but I just wanted to clear up a few things.
Where are people getting all of this "Boyle will shut down Kopitar" stuff from? That's pretty laughable even to me as a Rangers fan. He’s a solid defensive player and a great penalty killer, but he’s never been a guy who can lineup against an opposing #1 center and shut them down, mostly because he can’t keep up with them. There’s no way anyone in the bottom 6 is going to get even close to the minutes Kopitar will in an attempt to shut him down, that’s what McDonagh and Girardi are for (and they’ve had great success shutting down centers this post season who are more offensively talented than Kopitar).
Looking up and down the lineups there are not many distinct advantages for the Rangers, but one advantage that I think you will all notice early is the speed and skill of the Zuccarelo – Brassard – Pouliot line. I don’t really see how your bottom pairing will be able to match them
Where are people getting all of this "Boyle will shut down Kopitar" stuff from? That's pretty laughable even to me as a Rangers fan. He’s a solid defensive player and a great penalty killer, but he’s never been a guy who can lineup against an opposing #1 center and shut them down, mostly because he can’t keep up with them. There’s no way anyone in the bottom 6 is going to get even close to the minutes Kopitar will in an attempt to shut him down, that’s what McDonagh and Girardi are for (and they’ve had great success shutting down centers this post season who are more offensively talented than Kopitar).
Looking up and down the lineups there are not many distinct advantages for the Rangers, but one advantage that I think you will all notice early is the speed and skill of the Zuccarelo – Brassard – Pouliot line. I don’t really see how your bottom pairing will be able to match them
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They're a destiny of destiny in their eyes, with Lundqvist chasing his first Cup and the whole St Louis mother thing. They really believe that. Additionally, they've heard it for the past two rounds about how much better their opponents were, ignoring the reality that the Penguins have been in need of a major shakeup for years and the Canadiens were essentially a Cinderella team and without Price.
It's also a part of NY sports culture, which has become a characterization of itself. Any NY team that has a shot at a championship is "the one." This is nothing unique to the Rangers nor the 21st century.
They don't want to listen to the facts, which are as follows:
-the Rangers hold no distinct advantage in any head to head matchup; their primary areas of strength (goaltending and top four D) even at their best are debatably a wash with our own goaltending and top four D
-the Kings beat exponentially better opponents in the first three rounds
-the Kings have worlds more experience playing at this level
-the centre matchup is outlandishly in favor of the Kings
If the Rangers are going to win this series, Lundqvist will have to outright steal at least two, perhaps three games. The forward corps is just too lopsided in the Kings favor, with D and goaltending being too close to give the Rangers any real, consistent advantage.
Richie Rich
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Like you guys wouldn't go on an aggressive fact denial campaign like Rangers fans if you were in our position
DocWest
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Eh, we would't be crazy sensitive and post in your forum about it. That's what the mainboard is for.
Richie Rich
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Why would I ever go on the main board, or the Rangers board for that matter? The only good thing about this site is it houses fans of all teams. If I want to discuss the rangers I'll do so on a Rangers specific site
DocWest
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Because our team forum is not a place of you to get argumentative and demand respect for your team. Same reason why I could't care less what you are saying on the Rangers board about us. If you want to have a meeting of the minds and hammer out specifics, the main board is perfect for that. I have no problem with opposing fans posting here, but it's totally annoying when they go after every post that slights their team and argues against it. The team forums are the only place where you can get away with being a bit of a homer. Believe it or not, we all know what we are up against. Forgive us for believing in our team more.
*checks post history *
Rangers fan
*checks what board I'm on*
Kings board
*checks what the poster is talking about *
Upset at what we say about the Rangers on the KINGS board
*conclusion * insecure about his crappy team.
etherialone
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I wrote this in another thread but feel like doing it here might be fun.
Head to head match ups imo.
Goaltending:
Advantege NYR
Hank has had a better playoffs to date because he has absolutely had to in order for the Rags to have made it here. That said Quick can elevate his game to the same elite level and if that happens then it could be a wash but as of today I give the advantage to the Rags.
Top 4 Defence:
Doughty V McDonagh
No need to even break this one down. Advantage DD and it is by a bit too.
Girardi V Muzzin
Girardi. Muzzin has come a long way and is close but Girardi is the better of the two.
Staal V Voynov
Wash. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses.
Stralman V A Mart
Advantage A Mart. Stralman is fine but Marty has come into his own during these playoffs and is more a fair comparable to Staal than Stralman.
Forward Group:
I could break down each of them but there really isn't any need to do so. The Kings are ridiculously deeper up the middle and I mean by a huge amount and Gabby has more assists then St Louis has points so no need to go there. Williams +/- is better then anyone on the Rags so no need to do that one either.
So to me it actually does come down to which Quick shows up and rather or not Hank can steal 4 wins out of 7 for the Rags.
Don't get me wrong, the Rags play a good team game too but then so do we and one thing that they haven't faced that they will see soon enough is our entire forward groups ability to back check and play our own D system. Of the two I like our chances in that dept too.
AV took as much as he could of our system with him when he went to the Rags and has done an exceptional job mirroring it but we are the originators of the thing so I think we will be able to play it with a greater understanding of how to make it work.
Of course there are stats that I can spout off to back up my observations but why bother. The game is tonight and we will see how things shake out quickly enough. I think the Rags have a true chance at winning this series but it will imo come down to our failing to win more than their ability to beat us.
That is unless one of their players goes in all Bruce Lee on Quick or pulls a Torres on someone. Both of which are possible.
Head to head match ups imo.
Goaltending:
Advantege NYR
Hank has had a better playoffs to date because he has absolutely had to in order for the Rags to have made it here. That said Quick can elevate his game to the same elite level and if that happens then it could be a wash but as of today I give the advantage to the Rags.
Top 4 Defence:
Doughty V McDonagh
No need to even break this one down. Advantage DD and it is by a bit too.
Girardi V Muzzin
Girardi. Muzzin has come a long way and is close but Girardi is the better of the two.
Staal V Voynov
Wash. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses.
Stralman V A Mart
Advantage A Mart. Stralman is fine but Marty has come into his own during these playoffs and is more a fair comparable to Staal than Stralman.
Forward Group:
I could break down each of them but there really isn't any need to do so. The Kings are ridiculously deeper up the middle and I mean by a huge amount and Gabby has more assists then St Louis has points so no need to go there. Williams +/- is better then anyone on the Rags so no need to do that one either.
So to me it actually does come down to which Quick shows up and rather or not Hank can steal 4 wins out of 7 for the Rags.
Don't get me wrong, the Rags play a good team game too but then so do we and one thing that they haven't faced that they will see soon enough is our entire forward groups ability to back check and play our own D system. Of the two I like our chances in that dept too.
AV took as much as he could of our system with him when he went to the Rags and has done an exceptional job mirroring it but we are the originators of the thing so I think we will be able to play it with a greater understanding of how to make it work.
Of course there are stats that I can spout off to back up my observations but why bother. The game is tonight and we will see how things shake out quickly enough. I think the Rags have a true chance at winning this series but it will imo come down to our failing to win more than their ability to beat us.
That is unless one of their players goes in all Bruce Lee on Quick or pulls a Torres on someone. Both of which are possible.
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I also think "they" should not be allowed to vote on this poll. I see a couple of votes for the Rangers.
Why are those options there anyway ?
Why are those options there anyway ?
etherialone
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A number of us consider this board to be a Kings specific site in its own right. It is the only one I go to to talk about the Kings and has been ever since I started posting about them. I looked at others but never posted there. Didn't like them.
One thing I think is telling and completely not directed at you are any poster specifically but we have just gone thru our 3 season of playoff successes and this is the first time I have seen a fanbase get ours as angry as the Rag fans have and more so on our own boards.
Most of the time not all but most of the time we find common ground with our opponents or at worst have a bit of fun poking at each other. Heck, against the Hawks and Sharks we have found mutual respect the vast majority of the time.
So our first time facing the Rags sure has been a different experience for most of us and it is largely due to the attitude of several of their posters. I don't speak for anyone but myself of course but it is what I have noticed.
Here is to a good series and again, not directed at you at all.
etherialone
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DocWest
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Richie Rich
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I admit we're abrasive, but that's just the way fans of every big northeast team are.
I think we have a little extra ill will because you guys stole the dodgers
Raccoon Jesus
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The Boyle thing stemmed from Rangers fans cramming it down our throats that he's an elite defensive forward even though all signs pointed to otherwise. I think it's become a joke meme.
I agree that the Rangers third line, whatever it may end up being, will give us fits, especially if Dwight the battleship King is out there.
Agreed, good bunch imo.
Here's why, and I'm not going to say it again in this thread:
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Heheheh. I suppose so.
I like Rangers posters visiting and posting about how the Rangers will match up well against the Kings. When all I read is that the Kings will smash the Rangers, I get nervous. Visions of our Eastern Conference champs Manchester Monarchs getting knocked out in the first round by a fantastic goalie or heavily-favored Guelph Storm losing the Memorial Cup championship game to the team-that-pulled-together-and-honored-a-fallen-teammate-Edmonton-Oil-Kings start dancing around in my head. But when a Rangers fan says, "My team might beat your team," then I say, "Oh yeah?"
Duel, my friend. Duel at 5 p.m. Pacific!!
Heheheh. I suppose so.
I like Rangers posters visiting and posting about how the Rangers will match up well against the Kings. When all I read is that the Kings will smash the Rangers, I get nervous. Visions of our Eastern Conference champs Manchester Monarchs getting knocked out in the first round by a fantastic goalie or heavily-favored Guelph Storm losing the Memorial Cup championship game to the team-that-pulled-together-and-honored-a-fallen-teammate-Edmonton-Oil-Kings start dancing around in my head. But when a Rangers fan says, "My team might beat your team," then I say, "Oh yeah?"
Duel, my friend. Duel at 5 p.m. Pacific!!
I like the chipmunk on the West side's odds
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Tundra
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This team has given the ranger fans false hope IMHO. That's not to say that they are a bad team because they are a solid team with some impressive players. Hell, they are tiers above my team ATM. Their board was on collective suicide alert after game 4 against Pittsburgh. Many fans wanted to blow the team up. If you examine the Rangers, they aren't as nearly bad as they looked during the horrible O for 32 PP drought and I don't think they are as nearly as formidable as they looked against a really flawed team like Montreal. Honestly, their true level is probably somewhere in the middle of those two extremes.
Stole the Dodgers?
You should really read up on your history man. A pencil pusher named Robert Moses pushed them out. Your loss though
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