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GDT: NY Rangers @ the Winnipeg Jets Tuesday March 11th 7:00 pm

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SensibleGuy said:
Yeah you'd think right? But, as far as I can tell coaches don't lose the room until losing games becomes an issue. Then, after a period of time where a whole bunch of games are lost and the team looks like crap we start talking about coaches losing rooms. It's a bit of a chicken/egg situation mostly.
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That's why I said at this point. At this point Arniel could dress his dog Skippy and the team leadership would back and should back him. There can't be even the whisper of dissention at this point for this team. We don't have the playoff track record to do anything other than to have everyone bought in 100%.
 
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Gm0ney said:
awakened the (buff)dogs of war
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:)

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macmaroon said:
I will have to check when I get home, your news of a possible fix to HFBoards is encouraging... 🤔
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Squeak that main board wheel!
 
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KingBogo said:
That's why I said at this point. At this point Arniel could dress his dog Skippy and the team leadership would back and should back him. There can't be even the whisper of dissention at this point for this team. We don't have the playoff track record to do anything other than to have everyone bought in 100%.
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one would certainly hope so! lol
 
buggs said:
I feel obligated to jump into the Stanley discussion just cuz everyone is doing it. The above seems about right, minus, to a degree, the Garrett article. I'm not sure the article contributes that much to the issue, it's a long time ago. I'm sure I read it, but I certainly don't recall it. If Garret panned the pick, he's hardly alone especially outside of Winnipeg and its fans.

That said, Stanley is an NHL defenseman. A bottom pairing, 6-7, if you will. Every team has those, we've traded or picked up numerous off waivers over the years. We've also cut bait with many of them over that time (the Chisolm part of the post above I deleted is a great example).

The Jets traded up to draft Stanley in the first round based on size, seemingly in hopes of him turning into the next Chara (someone should explain probability to the scouting crew). The Jets subsequently have given a guy who is 6'7" so much rope you could run it lengthwise from here to Calgary while not giving it to other players that may well be better (cough*Kovacevic*cough). Opportunity after opportunity has been granted him while others haven't seen the same generosity. We're nearly 9 years into this experiment and Stanley is what he is.

I think the frustration is more from how much effort has gone into a talent that was very unlikely to meet expectations than anything else (his skating and mobility have always been subpar, one of the key factors in rating prospects - to this day his agility reminds me of mine). If, as you say, he was 6'2 I'm guessing he would have been traded/waived years ago. Retaining and providing so much opportunity to what is a easily replaceable asset likely drives all the angst.

Now I feel part of the group. :popcorn:
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As you say in your last paragraph, his special project status has granted him more time, effort and leeway than I've ever seen given to a developing player. If he were 6'2", Garret wouldn't have written an article, because Stanley wouldn't have been on anyone's trade board.
 
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Gm0ney said:
As you say in your last paragraph, his special project status has granted him more time, effort and leeway than I've ever seen given to a developing player. If he were 6'2", Garret wouldn't have written an article, because Stanley wouldn't have been on anyone's trade board.
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On top of all that: the guy wanted out of Winnipeg when they were in the midst of gearing up for the playoffs lol.
 
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Not a big contributor here but a big Jets fan so I'll wade into the Stanley chat... I think a lot of the vitriol is just misplaced anger at the Jets organization for giving him may more chances than his play would warrant as well as choosing to keep him over guys like Kovacevic. The dislike, boos, etc... are over the top and personal, but as a Jets fan who wants the best for the team it almost seems like the organization needs to be hit over the head with the fans' hatred of this player in order to move on. I don't have anything personal against the kid and won't boo him, but I will admit there's a certain bitterness about him getting all these chances after he put in a trade request. That trade request and the timing of it really used up any goodwill I had towards him The Jets organization essentially rewarding him after that trade request with more chances and playing time at the expense of other more deserving players also soured me on the whole situation.

I'm glad that Schenn was acquired so that the size/"toughness" excuse to him playing ahead of other bottom pair/tweener defenceman has been removed. Hopefully the Schenn/Fleury pair has a great game today as I truly think they are a better bottom pair than has been playing for us lately.
 
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10Ducky10 said:
I didn't read that article and I won't read that article. I am not one of the people that complain about losing defenseman on waivers either. You're right though he is easy to criticize because there are reasons. From what I hear he isn't playing tonight so that is good and I'm going to stop complaining about him for the rest of the day.


It was sarcasm.
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Ah okay. Just didn't think that held bearing on their opinion or posts.
 
SensibleGuy said:
this is a sports forum. It's not really your job to protect players from "unfair" vitriol. And I missed the part where fans were required to be NHL players before they could be critical of lineup decisions or coaching decisions or drafting decisions or contract decisions or any of the other stuff fans like to bitch about wrt their favorite sports teams. There's been lots of occasions over the years where there's been debates about players...Pavelec, Kane, Buff, on and on. In many of those situations, the criticisms turned out to be valid. Pavelec for instance - there were debates very much like this in which a lot of people - me included - felt he was terrible - while others never gave up defending him...sometimes based on nothing more than he "seemed like a good guy." It's the nature of the game. Sometimes the people complaining about something have a valid point...
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And it's your job to criticize players and coaches?

Nothing that anyone does on here is anyone's job. You want to post? You're opening yourself up to getting g called out, just like I am

You want to question decisions by coaching and management that have led to Stan being in the line up? Also fine. But to abuse him over his ability? That's bullying

Every team has a weakest player. If it was your kid's pee wee team, how would you tell your kid to talk about that player's abilities? Talk about how badly they suck behind their backs? Maybe take that advice yourself when it comes to all players, even in the NHL. It's basic human decency, yet that goes out the windows the second someone is behind a keyboard

If it's not something you'd say to Stan's face, it's not even worth saying on here. That's my motto
 
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Buffdog said:
If it's not something you'd say to Stan's face, it's not even worth saying on here. That's my motto
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really? That seems like a pretty high bar to set for a pro sports forum. I mean sheesh, I wouldn't say anything negative about any of these guys directly to their face. But I'm not sure how interesting this place would be if that was the operational standard here...
 
SensibleGuy said:
really? That seems like a pretty high bar to set for a pro sports forum. I mean sheesh, I wouldn't say anything negative about any of these guys directly to their face. But I'm not sure how interesting this place would be if that was the operational standard here...
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In a perfect world, we can critique and discuss players and the plays they make in a constructive manner. AND... in an even perfect-er world, we hold all players to the same subbjective standards.

So it's fair to say that Stanley has poor agility and at times makes wrong reads... and to point those plays out when they happen. But balance that with pointing out when he makes good plays (it happens occasionally lol).... And then do the same will all the D men

That's the kind of stuff I'm here for... instead of "Stanley sucks and thank God he's not in the line up"
 
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Buffdog said:
I hope Arniel sits Stanley so we can get a break from all the irrational, disproportionate hatred and bitching we hear about him all game, every game
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If we agree to quit bitching will he agree to quit making all of the irrational and disproportionately bad on-ice decisions he's famous for? I can get on board with an agreement like that.


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TheDeuce said:
If we agree to quit bitching will he agree to quit making all of the irrational and disproportionately bad on-ice decisions he's famous for? I can get on board with an agreement like that.


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I'll put it this way... even if you bitch all day every day, it won't change anything

So maybe ask yourself why you do it... when you could be using that time and energy to change something you actually do have control over
 
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Buffdog said:
I'll put it this way... even if you bitch all day every day, it won't change anything

So maybe ask yourself why you do it... when you could be using that time and energy to change something you actually do have control over
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yeah, but ...cheering and providing positive re-enforcement all day every day on the forum isn't going to change anything either. So what are we even doing here?? :laugh:
 
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Buffdog said:
I'll put it this way... even if you bitch all day every day, it won't change anything

So maybe ask yourself why you do it... when you could be using that time and energy to change something you actually do have control over
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To be fair I've never actually posted any thoughts on Stanley one way or another. But I can't blame posters for venting their frustrations.

Now, with that said, let's talk about tonight's game!

Jets are the favourites over at Bodog, paying 1.505:1 for the win and 2.33:1 on a 1.5 goal spread. I'm thinking they'll be ornery tonight. Take 'em to beat the spread?


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Just thought I would come on here and start of by saying that I have really like Sam Rosen over the years . Really calls a spade a spade and has very good knowledge of the game .

Also wanted to say I don't mind Apples on the team at all but have noticed a slip in his game since he came back from injury . Wonder if there is something bothering him .

Big Stan has had some game stretches where he has played well but is also prone to big read mistakes and puck turnover problems . Glad they are sitting him but not sure of the desired affect as it is not a lack of effort on his part it's mental mistakes .

I love Crazy Eyes Tanev .
 
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Gm0ney said:
His name was mentioned pretty innocuously on Page 1:


That awakened the (buff)dogs of war, stirred to loyal action by the sound of their master being uh...mentioned, and who have now ironically created the very situation they claimed to want to avoid! :laugh:

Ah, this place is great. You're all doing a wonderful job!
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Ignore list is your friend boys! Never has my experience on these boards improved so much by putting ONE poster on ignore since that one annoying Laine stan back in the day who was rooting for the Jets franchise to fold when they weren't playing him on the top line.

I try to be fair and almost never put anyone on ignore but when that man started derailing every single PGT with "why are there so few posts or why are there so many posts in the PGT after a win/loss" rants in the beginning of the season that was the last straw for me. Seems like they haven't changed.
 
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