NY Islanders Sale Talk Part II

[Riseonfire]

http://sportsbusinesshumbug/hockey/hunter_bs.htm

**** everything about Dale Hunter. If that POS even comes near my team I will totally knock him the **** out.

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

Why would anyone reject Gretzky as team president. A team president offers advice and is a media face of a franchise. They are not overly involved in the day to day operations

 

[StumpNYI]

Why would anyone reject Gretzky as team president. A team president offers advice and is a media face of a franchise. They are not overly involved in the day to day operations

Agree. He will instantly change the image of the team from everyone on the outside. Something this team needs for anyone to start taking them seriously. Start at the top. It will help you bring in a legitimate GM, who will then attract better coaches, who will then hopefully help attract some big name players. Would be a good move and possibly a perfect role for Gretzky. I wasn't alive to enjoy his reign in the 80's but he has always shown a lot of respect and class towards this franchise from my time following the sport.

 

[CREW99AW]

EXACTLY.

Nobody's saying we want Gretzky in charge of hockey ops.. but there's more to a team than that in 2014.. Having Gretzky show up brings cameras and credibility..

We all decry the treatment we get from the media.. from the league.. Gretzky as part of the operation would help in those areas.. he's taken very seriously..

But honestly my point wasn't even about Gretzky or no Gretzky.. it was about the fact that some of us have so lost touch with reality that we won't accept any upgrades in any area unless it's complete and total perfection..

Every multi-billionaire who wants to buy the New York Islanders and hand over control of the hockey end to HFBoard's GM of choice while insisting we increase payroll substantially has the opportunity RIGHT NOW to buy the team.

Meanwhile, at the end of this upcoming season Mike Babcock can leave the Red Wings and become our coach.. in fact if he told the Red Wings he'd like to just go ahead and leave NOW and take over the Islanders they'd probably let him..

So you guys wait for those things.. you guys wait for the billionaire who is happy to sit in a box and watch games and be worried to give his opinion to his GM because it's not his place and because we would frown on that..

I'm sure they're lining up to take the Isles off Wang's hands for $400,000,000 and not have any input..

It's not 1980 guys.

How many cameras has Doug Weight bought.

Isles more credible because Weight's a NYI coach?

Isles want respect and attention? Then WIN.

At the end of last season and into the playoffs, the isles play forced other teams, their fans and the media to show them respect and attention.

 

[CREW99AW]

http://sportsbusinesshumbug/hockey/hunter_bs.htm
The New York Islanders and Dale Hunter have a complex history.

I see Burroway is up on his NYI history.

Maybe he can bring in Darcy Tucker for a front office role

 

[BillD]

**** everything about Dale Hunter. If that POS even comes near my team I will totally knock him the **** out.

Dale Hunter as a hockey player was a hard working player with limited talent that frequently crossed the line with his on ice activities. The well known late (very) cheap shot hit from behind in Pierre Turgeon was an extreme example of the worst of Dale Hunter.
There are numerous players of his ilk both past and present in the NHL, players like Esa Tikkonen, Ulf Samuelsson, Steve Ott, etc.

Dale Hunter the hockey club owner/executive has been a success in running his club with his brother.
If Hunter were to be able to apply his drive and ability to help make the Islanders a Cup contender every year I am willing to forget the Turgeon hit.

 

[JeffNYI]

The Hunter thing isn't a real link..

He's making the point that anyone can make anything up and get people to talk.. (ie: 99 )

 

[PK Cronin]

Why would anyone reject Gretzky as team president. A team president offers advice and is a media face of a franchise. They are not overly involved in the day to day operations

I don't want Gretzky involved in any facet of hockey operations really...

 

[Felix Unger]

The Hunter thing isn't a real link..

He's making the point that anyone can make anything up and get people to talk.. (ie: 99 )

I kinda thought "sportsbusinesshumbug" was a dead giveaway...

 

[Brunomics]

How many cameras has Doug Weight bought.

Isles more credible because Weight's a NYI coach?

Isles want respect and attention? Then WIN.

At the end of last season and into the playoffs, the isles play forced other teams, their fans and the media to show them respect and attention.

While I agree with what your saying your missing the point that this franchise needs a facelift from a PR persepctive as well.

 

[TommytheCat]

How many cameras has Doug Weight bought.

Isles more credible because Weight's a NYI coach?

Isles want respect and attention? Then WIN.

At the end of last season and into the playoffs, the isles play forced other teams, their fans and the media to show them respect and attention.

Agree on the win part...We have bufoons Garf and wanger and have been called the doormat of the league... You really think Gretzky wouldn't help us in the respect dept??? We have been beggars for how many years and now being choosy with the great one....wow

 

[CREW99AW]

While I agree with what your saying your missing the point that this franchise needs a facelift from a PR persepctive as well.

Then make Bossy or Trottier the Team President. There are no well respected NYI alumni who can fill that PR job?

Gretzky has been linked in rumors to a few teams since moving on from the Yotes NYR/(Leafs/Caps).
Gretzky wants to be a part owner and I question whether he is willing to simply accept a figure head position. When he was linked to the Leafs, Dreger said the position was not just a figure head position.

 

[CREW99AW]

Agree on the win part...We have bufoons Garf and wanger and have been called the doormat of the league... You really think Gretzky wouldn't help us in the respect dept??? We have been beggars for how many years and now being choosy with the great one....wow

I never said Gretzky would not bring respect.

I question how much power, the would be part owner would have.

He was awful coaching in Phoenix. He and Michael Jordan are perfect examples of great players, who on retiring where big flops as coaches/execs.

 

[MJF]

I think when it comes to Gretzky, people here are questioning his business accumen and whether he is a good talent evaluator.

 

[CREW99AW]

I think when it comes to Gretzky, people here are questioning his business accumen and whether he is a good talent evaluator.

Exactly.

And for those posters saying Gretzky's would be a figurehead position, he was not discussing a figurehead position with the Leafs.

I question whether someone who would be a part owner and team exec, would sit back and accept having no say in roster decisions.

 

[ScaredStreit]

Playing and operating a team are two completely different things. Most star players can't manage teams....because most players cant (there are exceptions like yzerman). That's just the way it is. Gretzky as a figure head would be great.....both nothing more.

 

[JKP]

Playing and operating a team are two completely different things. Most star players can't manage teams....because most players cant (there are exceptions like yzerman). That's just the way it is. Gretzky as a figure head would be great.....both nothing more.

Disagree. He did a great job running team Canada for a bunch of years. I think he's got the chops for a president role. Needs a good GM, but he'd be a great president.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Disagree. He did a great job running team Canada for a bunch of years. I think he's got the chops for a president role. Needs a good GM, but he'd be a great president.

How hard could it possibly be? He gets the best pool of talent to choose from in terms of players, and easily the best group of executives to populate GM/coaching positions. I bet you could own some hardware if you had that position.

 

[JKP]

How hard could it possibly be? He gets the best pool of talent to choose from in terms of players, and easily the best group of executives to populate GM/coaching positions. I bet you could own some hardware if you had that position.

It's not that simple. It's probably the most pressure packed job in sports. We have royal commissions when we don't medal in the Olympics here. Every move and non-move is analyzed to death. It's not just picking an all star team.

 

[PK Cronin]

It's not that simple. It's probably the most pressure packed job in sports. We have royal commissions when we don't medal in the Olympics here. Every move and non-move is analyzed to death. It's not just picking an all star team.

That really is what it is, despite the added pressure to win. That's all those guys do. They assemble a team to win one tournament, with access to the majority of the best talent in the world. It isn't as if he's competing with other organizations for those players or that a player would refuse to go, it is simply selecting a roster that will win.

 

[JKP]

That really is what it is, despite the added pressure to win. That's all those guys do. They assemble a team to win one tournament, with access to the majority of the best talent in the world. It isn't as if he's competing with other organizations for those players or that a player would refuse to go, it is simply selecting a roster that will win.

Sigh. You guys just aren't getting the president role. It's philosophy, direction, media, hiring the GM, and probably the coach, dealing with the owner, and having input on players.

That's exactly the type of work he'd have done those years with Team Canada, and he was damn good at it. Like his press conference in Salt Lake City which he used to take the attention off the team's initial issues.

I don't know why some of you can't separate what a president is in the new NHL front office from the GM and why you want to be so dismissive of the Team Canada exec experience as a qualifier for a president role.

Honestly, you ***** and complain about the current regime ad nauseam then at a rumour of getting the greatest player of a generation and maybe ever, who had lots of directly applicable exec experience, all you want to do is try to diminish his credentials.

I don't want him for a GM. He'd not have the focus for that. But he would make an outstanding president and when he calls a GM to try to hire him, they take his call. When he calls a player to help try to sign him, they take his call. When he calls Bettman for anything, he takes his call.

Where the hell is the downside? If a new owner could get him, do it.

 

[BillD]

Sigh. You guys just aren't getting the president role. It's philosophy, direction, media, hiring the GM, and probably the coach, dealing with the owner, and having input on players.

That's exactly the type of work he'd have done those years with Team Canada, and he was damn good at it. Like his press conference in Salt Lake City which he used to take the attention off the team's initial issues.

I don't know why some of you can't separate what a president is in the new NHL front office from the GM and why you want to be so dismissive of the Team Canada exec experience as a qualifier for a president role.

Honestly, you ***** and complain about the current regime ad nauseam then at a rumour of getting the greatest player of a generation and maybe ever, who had lots of directly applicable exec experience, all you want to do is try to diminish his credentials.

I don't want him for a GM. He'd not have the focus for that. But he would make an outstanding president and when he calls a GM to try to hire him, they take his call. When he calls a player to help try to sign him, they take his call. When he calls Bettman for anything, he takes his call.

Where the hell is the downside? If a new owner could get him, do it.

Would Gretzky even consider a move to the NY area?

 

[beach]

If Hunter were to be able to apply his drive and ability to help make the Islanders a Cup contender every year I am willing to forget the Turgeon hit.

I will never forgive that hit and want that moron nowhere near this team. I feel that hit cost us the Cup and also ruined Pierre's career. He was never the same after that.

 

[CREW99AW]

Sigh. You guys just aren't getting the president role. It's philosophy, direction, media, hiring the GM, and probably the coach, dealing with the owner, and having input on players.



I don't want him for a GM. He'd not have the focus for that. But he would make an outstanding president and when he calls a GM to try to hire him, they take his call. When he calls a player to help try to sign him, they take his call. When he calls Bettman for anything, he takes his call.

Where the hell is the downside? If a new owner could get him, do it.

Why would I want Gretzky to have input on players? Cause he was so impressive in Phoenix?He coached the Phoenix Coyotes for four seasons and missed the playoffs every year, finishing above .500 once (by one game).

Fans post about how he'd be a figure head. Gretzky has been linked to the Kings/Leafs/Rangers/Caps. He wants to be part owner. I question whether he just wants a figurehead job.

I am still trying to find a quote from Gretzky or his rep, that he is looking for a kind of hands off, PR role.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...wayne-gretzky-wont-join-capitals-front-office
While the match seemed possible, with Gretzky either as general manager or in a president-type role, it won't be happening. According to Jull Sorenson of Comcast SportsNet Washington, Gretzky is no longer in consideration for a front-office role with the club.

That report was also echoed by ESPN's Pierre LeBrun, who wrote:

Whether it's [Gretzky] for president of hockey operations or another high-end executive job, at this hour, it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Which is too bad, because No. 99 in that kind of role would be a great asset. The Maple Leafs talked to Gretzky about a similar role last summer but talks didn't produce a deal.

The league having Gretzky in a visible role would be a good thing under the right circumstances. The Capitals organization probably needs a more experienced architect for its roster, though. That wouldn't be Gretzky, despite the nice bonus of name recognition.

Gretzky was head coach with the Phoenix Coyotes and served as part owner with the club as well. It didn't go particularly well as Gretzky resigned and relinquished his ownership stake. The league's all-time leading scorer was also the general manager for the Canadian Olympic team in 2002, which ended the country's 50-year gold-medal drought.

 

[CREW99AW]

Would Gretzky even consider a move to the NY area?

He's been linked to jobs with the LA Kings , NY Rangers, Toronto Maple Leafs and Washington Capitals.

So, I would guess if an owner gave him part ownership and the job he wanted, he'd relocate.