GDT: NSH/CAR: A 7pm Game? It's True!

[Vagrant]

i went back and watched the overtime goal call and it might be one of my favorites yet

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I know some won't agree and I realize this is a bit of raining on the parade, particularly after winning this many in a row, (although I have brought this up prior), but I won't put this team in the "elite" category just yet for 2 reasons. I think this is a very good team and has potential to be elite, and when I say "elite", I mean a cup team:

1) 7 out of the team's 18 wins come in 3v3 or the shoot-out, which isn't a thing in the playoffs. Contrast that to TB which has 3 OT/SO wins out of their 18 wins, Florida which has 4 of 16, Toronto 2 of 16, Islanders 1 of 16, etc.. Boston is probably the next closest and has 5 OT/SO wins out of 13 wins. The good part of this is that it shows the team has skill and a never quit attitude.
2) This team is a poor 5v5 scoring team and is feasting off of the PP. Last night showed it as the Preds basically clogged the neutral zone. Right now, Canes are 20th in the NHL in 5v5 scoring. Rangers, Ottawa, SJ, Calgary, are all ranked higher than Carolina in 5v5 scoring. I get that this can be skewed with the division set-up this year, but this has been a struggle the last couple of years.

These two items are related so to me, the problem with this team is still 5v5 scoring. When the playoffs roll around and the refs swallow their whistles and theirs no 3v3 or shoot out, the Canes need to find a way to put the puck in the net 5v5. They have the talent to do so and getting TT back will be a big help, but for me, until they start performing better offensively 5v5, I'm not ready to call them elite.

The team is solid. They have skill, speed, balance, depth, a will to win and the ability to shut other teams down at times. If they can figure out how to score effectively 5v5, they could be an extremely dangerous team.

 

[hockeynjune]

I know some won't agree and I realize this is a bit of raining on the parade, particularly after winning this many in a row, (although I have brought this up prior), but I won't put this team in the "elite" category just yet for 2 reasons. I think this is a very good team and has potential to be elite, and when I say "elite", I mean a cup team:

1) 7 out of the team's 18 wins come in 3v3 or the shoot-out, which isn't a thing in the playoffs. Contrast that to TB which has 3 OT/SO wins out of their 18 wins, Florida which has 4 of 16, Toronto 2 of 16, Islanders 1 of 16, etc.. Boston is probably the next closest and has 5 OT/SO wins out of 13 wins. The good part of this is that it shows the team has skill and a never quit attitude.
2) This team is a poor 5v5 scoring team and is feasting off of the PP. Last night showed it as the Preds basically clogged the neutral zone. Right now, Canes are 20th in the NHL in 5v5 scoring. Rangers, Ottawa, SJ, Calgary, are all ranked higher than Carolina in 5v5 scoring. I get that this can be skewed with the division set-up this year, but this has been a struggle the last couple of years.

These two items are related so to me, the problem with this team is still 5v5 scoring. When the playoffs roll around and the refs swallow their whistles and theirs no 3v3 or shoot out, the Canes need to find a way to put the puck in the net 5v5. They have the talent to do so and getting TT back will be a big help, but for me, until they start performing better offensively 5v5, I'm not ready to call them elite.

The team is solid. They have skill, speed, balance, depth, a will to win and the ability to shut other teams down at times. If they can figure out how to score effectively 5v5, they could be an extremely dangerous team 5v5.

This , other teams are watching tape. We must get better at 5v5.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

BBA, I think that is a factor of spreading out the offense.

The PP is feasting because we have our big scorers back together.

We have one line with three capable scorers. We need another line by putting Svech with Aho and Turbo or going to get another scorer for the two Finns.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

BBA, I think that is a factor of spreading out the offense.

The PP is feasting because we have our big scorers back together.

We have one line with three capable scorers. We need another line by putting Svech with Aho and Turbo or going to get another scorer for the two Finns.

Could be part of it. IMO, adding another scoring winger would be ideal, but would force Rod to sit one of Martinook or McGinn which is why I’m not confident it will happen.

winger-Aho-TT
Nino-Tro-Necas
Svech-Staal-Fast

 

[emptyNedder]

FIFY.

No one is hating its a statement of fact... How often does a puck go across all of the blue paint BEHIND the goalie in front of the goal and not go in? The shot was wide open.

There is a bit of a double standard. Many are fond of Mr. Azek because he was in goal when the Canes finally won a playoff series. But in reality Mr. Azek gave up (almost surely) the goal that would have eliminated the Canes against the Caps—only Brock McGinn stopped the puck that was behind the goalie heading directly into the goal. Yet, I don't recall one post saying that Petr was an issue in the playoffs.

Bottom line is that Ned is winning, has a .924/2.21 this season and a .919/2.34 so far in his career. At some point it is more than luck.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Could be part of it. IMO, adding another scoring winger would be ideal, but would force Rod to sit one of Martinook or McGinn which is why I’m not confident it will happen.

winger-Aho-TT
Nino-Tro-Necas
Svech-Staal-Fast

He could sit Lorentz to keep his habit going for now but I once TT is back a tough decision is to be had

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

He could sit Lorentz to keep his habit going for now but I once TT is back a tough decision is to be had

Even sitting Lorentz, if they were to acquire a top 6 winger, we’d have Martinook, Foegele, McGinn, and Paquette vying for a spot once TT is back. Just don’t see Rod sitting one of those guys long term which is why I am skeptical of Carolina going after a winger. I’ve been known to be wrong though.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Even sitting Lorentz, if they were to acquire a top 6 winger, we’d have Martinook, Foegele, McGinn, and Paquette vying for a spot once TT is back. Just don’t see Rod sitting one of those guys long term which is why I am skeptical of Carolina going after a winger. I’ve been known to be wrong though.

100% agree. Hopefully Eric T and co can convince the group that we need more 5v5 scoring. Since the refs swallow the whistle in the playoffs

 

[geehaad]

he's just still so quick to butterfly the minute things get a bit squirrelly

I'm not going to argue with your opinion that he doesn't have a future as an NHL goaltender, but unless you have a weird definition of "squirrelly", that is when the puck is within about 6 feet of him...precisely when he *should* drop into a butterfly, no?

I also think it's interesting that Tripp pointed out two moments in last night's game where Ned stayed upright (not a squirrelly situation), as if that's something they're working on. Then again, Tripp seems to make that observation a lot.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

There is a bit of a double standard. Many are fond of Mr. Azek because he was in goal when the Canes finally won a playoff series. But in reality Mr. Azek gave up (almost surely) the goal that would have eliminated the Canes against the Caps—only Brock McGinn stopped the puck that was behind the goalie heading directly into the goal. Yet, I don't recall one post saying that Petr was an issue in the playoffs.

Bottom line is that Ned is winning, has a .924/2.21 this season and a .919/2.34 so far in his career. At some point it is more than luck.

SUCH INSOLENCE.

 

[MinJaBen]

Even sitting Lorentz, if they were to acquire a top 6 winger, we’d have Martinook, Foegele, McGinn, and Paquette vying for a spot once TT is back. Just don’t see Rod sitting one of those guys long term which is why I am skeptical of Carolina going after a winger. I’ve been known to be wrong though.

Not if one of them is moved in the deal. I could see someone taking a chance with Foegele since he has some team control left.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Even sitting Lorentz, if they were to acquire a top 6 winger, we’d have Martinook, Foegele, McGinn, and Paquette vying for a spot once TT is back. Just don’t see Rod sitting one of those guys long term which is why I am skeptical of Carolina going after a winger. I’ve been known to be wrong though.

I assume it would depend on the scorer. If it's someone streaky like Dzingel that they take a flyer on then yeah I can see Rod having trouble sitting one of those 4. If it's someone like Forsberg, then if Rod doesn't sit one of those 4... (assuming they aren't part of the trade)

 

[To Be Determined]

while the league has the tape in to review the elbow to b.c. brock, any chance they take a look at nino getting speared in the face? the intent there was much dirtier, imo.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I assume it would depend on the scorer. If it's someone streaky like Dzingel that they take a flyer on then yeah I can see Rod having trouble sitting one of those 4. If it's someone like Forsberg, then if Rod doesn't sit one of those 4... (assuming they aren't part of the trade)

My "hope" is that IF the Canes go after a forward this season/deadline, they don't go after a lower tier "streaky" scorer in the Dzingel mode. I'd rather keep what we got than do that as I don't see that type of player accomplishing the goal of becoming a better 5v5/playoff team. I'd rather see them go for it and go after a higher tier guy.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

while the league has the tape in to review the elbow to b.c. brock, any chance they take a look at nino getting speared in the face? the intent there was much dirtier, imo.

Did they ever actually show that on the broadcast?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

There is a bit of a double standard. Many are fond of Mr. Azek because he was in goal when the Canes finally won a playoff series. But in reality Mr. Azek gave up (almost surely) the goal that would have eliminated the Canes against the Caps—only Brock McGinn stopped the puck that was behind the goalie heading directly into the goal. Yet, I don't recall one post saying that Petr was an issue in the playoffs.

Bottom line is that Ned is winning, has a .924/2.21 this season and a .919/2.34 so far in his career. At some point it is more than luck.

But these are just the numbers of a goalie who has won at every level. Does that make him a good goalie? Who can say, right?

 

[To Be Determined]

Did they ever actually show that on the broadcast?

not that i saw. i only saw it online.

 

[Tryamw]

I expect 2 games would have been 1 if the Major was called correctly.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Lots of pearl clutching online for a pretty standard 2 min elbow. In my opinion anyway.

The Nino face-stab was so much worse.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Lots of pearl clutching online for a pretty standard 2 min elbow. In my opinion anyway.

The Nino face-stab was so much worse.

That was a standard 2 minute elbow 10 years ago. It’s not anymore.

 

[Tryamw]

well I'd love a better picture of the spear to Nino... but only one of these 2 incidents have I seen clearly..

Also regarding the Elbow. It's Elbowing Hit to the head and maybe some more... It's not a good hit.. I don't think Fabbro was trying to kill McGinn but a play that went wrong.. @tarheelhockey not trying to steal your thunder here.. you have some excellent comments on the mainboard thread.

 

[hockeynjune]

Predators' Fabbro to have hearing Wednesday for elbowing Hurricanes' McGinn

 

[AD Skinner]

I only saw the nino high stick in gif form but it looked pretty bad. Totally away from the puck/play so its not like he was trying to establish stick position or anything.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yet, I don't recall one post saying that Petr was an issue in the playoffs.

*raises hand*

I'm late to the conversation and everyone's probably already said their peace, but I found the decision to go with Mrazek in Game 2 pretty disappointing. All year long they've been successful with a steady rotation, playing the hot hand. When we get to the playoffs suddenly we're a one-goalie team?

I mean, I get it, you don't want it to be a constant distraction. But Mrazek put up a .899 in the Washington series... he was great when he had to be, but that's a sign of a guy who isn't quite thriving under the workload (which has been the knock on him all along, right?) like he was when he was rotating. We go right back to him for the Isles series on zero rest, he starts off hot which is all good, but then he gets hurt. So McElhinney comes out dead-cold after a 3-week layoff, and plays lights out to close the series (.947). Logic says you continue to play the hot hand right? Nope, we go back to Mrazek again, and he didn't look great. In that context, I really didn't feel good about doubling-down on a guy who clearly has lost his rhythm and who has historically not responded well when that happens. Rod had every reason in the world to give Mac that start. Instead he doubled down on Petr, and it was painful to watch what came after that.

He has to go back to Curtis tomorrow, right? At some point it comes down to "dance with the one who brought you". You've got a guy whose signature is a calm steady positional game, who picked up crucial stretch-drive wins to get into the playoffs, and who came out white-hot the last time he got a chance to play. Not playing him now would be pushing it into "stop being weird" territory.