Post-Game Talk: Not Good, Jets lose 4-1

[bennysflyers16]

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Later picks and prospects with no future will not bring you legit nhl d men, expect to lose one or 2 of Ehlers, Connor, Laine or Roslovic.

Sure they will bring back bottom pair lesser D men, legit D men I agree, but they need to ice a lineup.

The team needs warm bodies to get through the Buff situation, Chevy completely f***ed up on the type of warm bodies he went with.

Sbisa, Bittetto, Dahlstrom, are not NHL D men and even Beaulieau is debatable.

These are all regulars.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Sure its time for PoMo to go, but Chevy getting a pass is ridiculous. No coach available will be able to coach this D core.

Chevy chose to go dumpster diving with D men being waived by teams WORSE than the Jets, this is his mess.

Sure the Buff situation sucked, but trade some later picks, prospects with no future and at least bring in some NHL level D men. The slop he claimed are not NHL D men, and now you are seeing the results with a tired and over worked Helly.

And injuries to waiver claim guys being replaced by more waiver claim guys doesn't fly as an excuse.

While I agree some blame needs to be given to Chevy for his off-season moves, picking up waiver-wire D men under the circumstances at that point of the season was probably the only good option out of a list of bad options. The only way at that point to trade for a good D man would be to make a Hall-Larsson type trade, which would have been far far worse. (Can you imagine the meltdown here in HFJets if that did happen, like Ehlers+ for Faulk?)

Buff's injury over the whole season really threw a wrench in to the game. Morrisey-Pionk / Kulikov-Buff isn't that bad of a top 4 (well, Kulikov is ideally a 3rd pairing D, but Buff could have hopefully propped up his play). However, without Buff (and Kulikov's injuries), things got compounded quickly.

The only other options last off-season would have been to retain Myers, which I don't think would have went well. I think, hindsight 20/20, retaining Chiarot might have been something to have been done. He's looked pretty good in Montreal from what I have heard. EDIT: salary cap might have complicated that, though.

 

[Crocket]

While I agree some blame needs to be given to Chevy for his off-season moves, picking up waiver-wire D men under the circumstances at that point of the season was probably the only good option out of a list of bad options. The only way at that point to trade for a good D man would be to make a Hall-Larsson type trade, which would have been far far worse. (Can you imagine the meltdown here in HFJets if that did happen, like Ehlers+ for Faulk?)

Buff's injury over the whole season really threw a wrench in to the game. Morrisey-Pionk / Kulikov-Buff isn't that bad of a top 4 (well, Kulikov is ideally a 3rd pairing D, but Buff could have hopefully propped up his play). However, without Buff (and Kulikov's injuries), things got compounded quickly.

The only other options last off-season would have been to retain Myers, which I don't think would have went well. I think, hindsight 20/20, retaining Chiarot might have been something to have been done. He's looked pretty good in Montreal from what I have heard. EDIT: salary cap might have complicated that, though.

Ya, I agree with all that. I think into the season it's easier to trade, a few teams are out and need prospects, picks and can retain salary. Then you can make a better deal. Very difficult at the beginning. And ya, Buff was a huge wild card. This game was an example of having our star players get in dangerous situations because we are now a pretty small team that gets bullied easily. Without Lowery, we really don't have anyone in the lineup that can defend a teammate.

Chevy needed to address the D, with a top D about a month ago. You have to get creative, that's his job. Sbisa and Beaulieu on the bottom pair would be fine. Bitteto as an extra 7/8 not a big deal, but we need that top 4 guy. Pionk, and Morrissey are all alone.

Our bottom six forwards are way too easy to play against too. Small and soft.

 

[NorCalhockey]

Why ? Hiring a new coach now gives him a head start on next year.

Yep - that's how I feel. Hiring a new coach now gives him time to right the ship for next year - and if a miracle happens and the Jets do in fact make the playoffs this year, that's just icing on the cake. Also, let's say Chevy has his eye on Gallant. How much longer will he still be available? Gotta grab something(one) while still available...

 

[Gm0ney]

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Later picks and prospects with no future will not bring you legit nhl d men, expect to lose one or 2 of Ehlers, Connor, Laine or Roslovic.

There are defensemen with some promise who wouldn't cost the moon and the stars. Dallas was shopping Honka for a 3rd. Oh but Dallas won't trade in the division! Bullshit - if they can't be arsed to sign the guy and are shopping him for a 3rd, they probably aren't worried that he's going to be much help to the Jets. Scandella went for a 4th round pick. The trade was one for one. Joakim Ryan is a guy who can actually defend on the bottom pairing and signed cheap in LA. Sekera went cheap to Dallas if you want a with some more experience.

Why does Chevy go out and get these coke machine pylons from the bottom of the barrel like Bitetto? If that's the best he can do, then this team is never going anywhere.

 

[Evil Little]

Sure its time for PoMo to go, but Chevy getting a pass is ridiculous. No coach available will be able to coach this D core.

Chevy chose to go dumpster diving with D men being waived by teams WORSE than the Jets, this is his mess.

Sure the Buff situation sucked, but trade some later picks, prospects with no future and at least bring in some NHL level D men. The slop he claimed are not NHL D men, and now you are seeing the results with a tired and over worked Helly.

And injuries to waiver claim guys being replaced by more waiver claim guys doesn't fly as an excuse.

If you agree that Pionk has filled in for Trouba without a huge downgrade, this suggests that Chiarot and Myers are massive losses.

Every 'woke' Jets fan wanted Niku promoted and Myers fired into the sun all of last season.

 

[tbcwpg]

There are defensemen with some promise who wouldn't cost the moon and the stars. Dallas was shopping Honka for a 3rd. Oh but Dallas won't trade in the division! Bull**** - if they can't be arsed to sign the guy and are shopping him for a 3rd, they probably aren't worried that he's going to be much help to the Jets. Scandella went for a 4th round pick. The trade was one for one. Joakim Ryan is a guy who can actually defend on the bottom pairing and signed cheap in LA. Sekera went cheap to Dallas if you want a with some more experience.

Why does Chevy go out and get these coke machine pylons from the bottom of the barrel like Bitetto? If that's the best he can do, then this team is never going anywhere.

Ok, fit them in the cap at the start of the season.

 

[rkp]

Glad Scheifele didn't get injured from stepping on the stick.

at least he went down swinging!

 

[Gm0ney]

Ok, fit them in the cap at the start of the season.

Well of course, the Jets are in a unique position where they have to abide by the cap. If only other teams had such problems! I guess we'll just have to throw this season away...

Ryan and Honka would've been pretty reasonable. No more than we're wasting now on terrible 7th defensemen.

We had room for Scandella, too - but oh no Buff's cap hit is looming over our head. Sorry. Built in excuse to make no improvements and let the chips fall where they may. Who cares if we're burning the last days of Wheeler or another year of Scheifele and Ehlers on bargain contracts. Rise Tank Together, you guys.

Did Chevy paint himself into a corner with his own overpays for Kulikov, Wheeler and Little? Sure. But you can't expect him to be both the architect of the Jets' cap issues and also the saviour. One thing at a time again of course again mumble coming into his own mumble here's Luca Sbisa - what else do you want?

 

[Jet]

Yes, the defence is awful, Hellebuyck looks very overworked and tired.

If they lost and look liked they were putting any effort into it at all, that would be one thing. They look like they've lost the game before it starts. No effort.

I thought they were working extremely hard in the first two periods. Looked like they gave up in the third

 

[tbcwpg]

Well of course, the Jets are in a unique position where they have to abide by the cap. If only other teams had such problems! I guess we'll just have to throw this season away...

Ryan and Honka would've been pretty reasonable. No more than we're wasting now on terrible 7th defensemen.

We had room for Scandella, too - but oh no Buff's cap hit is looming over our head. Sorry. Built in excuse to make no improvements and let the chips fall where they may. Who cares if we're burning the last days of Wheeler or another year of Scheifele and Ehlers on bargain contracts. Rise Tank Together, you guys.

Did Chevy paint himself into a corner with his own overpays for Kulikov, Wheeler and Little? Sure. But you can't expect him to be both the architect of the Jets' cap issues and also the saviour. One thing at a time again of course again mumble coming into his own mumble here's Luca Sbisa - what else do you want?

Other teams have their own caps. I'm talking about the cap space on this team. Other teams have paid a price to free up that space, I don't think that would be very well received - people still talk about the Mason trade. We could've moved a 1st like the Leafs did for some room, I guess.

Yes, Joakim Ryan and his 3 points would be a great addition. Honka has shown little so far to suggest he would be an improvement (and I was in favour of trading for him).

You can dismiss the Buff situation all you want. It still has a major effect on what they could do. Remember when Connor and Laine re-signed the Jets, including Buff's hit, had $100,000 in cap space. These waiver pickups are a direct result of the Buff scenario, not the plan all along.

 

[LowLefty]

I feel like we have a good enough roster to pull a last-year's St Louis (to an extent) if we get a new coach.

Not a chance -

 

[Gm0ney]

Other teams have their own caps. I'm talking about the cap space on this team. Other teams have paid a price to free up that space, I don't think that would be very well received - people still talk about the Mason trade. We could've moved a 1st like the Leafs did for some room, I guess.

Yes, Joakim Ryan and his 3 points would be a great addition. Honka has shown little so far to suggest he would be an improvement (and I was in favour of trading for him).

You can dismiss the Buff situation all you want. It still has a major effect on what they could do. Remember when Connor and Laine re-signed the Jets, including Buff's hit, had $100,000 in cap space. These waiver pickups are a direct result of the Buff scenario, not the plan all along.

We didn't need to clear that much space. It doesn't seem like anything was even attempted. But Chevy needing to wiggle out from under his mistakes seems to occur with disconcerting frequency. When you have a bunch of contracts that are so bad you either have to throw away a season during what's supposed to be your contention window, or you have to pay the price of a 24 year old 30 point play driving winger to get rid of them, you might be GMing wrong...

And to be fair, Ryan does have a higher p/60 than Bitetto (0.4 vs 0.35) but the real difference is that Ryan can actually play defense without looking like he's skating on banana peels and making terrible decisions with and without the puck.

Honka would've been a pretty low risk, low cost roll of the dice. Would he have been better than the alternatives? Would it have been worth it to try to find out? I think so. Would it have been futile considering how Maurice and Huddy like their defensemen? Probably. Still...

Scandella was traded during the season, so we knew Buff wasn't playing.

BTW: Is there another team in the league (excluding Mickey Mouse outfits like the Sens) that would let a Buff situation hang over their heads for months? Tying their hands. Preventing them from taking any action to improve?

 

[tbcwpg]

We didn't need to clear that much space. It doesn't seem like anything was even attempted. But Chevy needing to wiggle out from under his mistakes seems to occur with disconcerting frequency. When you have a bunch of contracts that are so bad you either have to throw away a season during what's supposed to be your contention window, or you have to pay the price of a 24 year old 30 point play driving winger to get rid of them, you might be GMing wrong...

And to be fair, Ryan does have a higher p/60 than Bitetto (0.4 vs 0.35) but the real difference is that Ryan can actually play defense without looking like he's skating on banana peels and making terrible decisions with and without the puck.

Honka would've been a pretty low risk, low cost roll of the dice. Would he have been better than the alternatives? Would it have been worth it to try to find out? I think so. Would it have been futile considering how Maurice and Huddy like their defensemen? Probably. Still...

Scandella was traded during the season, so we knew Buff wasn't playing.

BTW: Is there another team in the league (excluding Mickey Mouse outfits like the Sens) that would let a Buff situation hang over their heads for months? Tying their hands. Preventing them from taking any action to improve?

I don't feel like the Jets have any more or less "bad contracts" than any other team in the league. The Buff situation still affects Scandella, though I'm not sure how so I won't belabour the point. Smarter cap people than me would know.

Friedman has said the Jets have tried to move Perreault for a long time with no takers. There aren't many other moves to make. I advocated buying out Kulikov this summer.

Like you've said, Ryan and Honka may have been slightly better options, but I'm not of the mind that the team's record would be any different than it is now with them in place of say Bitetto and Sbisa.

We don't know if any other team would be doing this because it hasn't happened before. If it did, there'd be precedent, and if there was precedent, it would have been solved by now.