OT: Non-Hockey Sports Thread XII - Heeeeeeressss JJ! (Percy Harvin Edition)

[Minnewildsota]

He's a quarterback that only puts up stats in the system and with the best receiver in the league. He's a fraud. He would not be top 7 in passing yards or touchdowns on any other team.

Trade Love to the Jets, Panthers, Bears, etc and see how he does. I bet he wouldn't have the same numbers (worse).

 

[TaLoN]

The stats you sent didn't include rushing yards

That's because i wasn't trying to compare anyone to Josh Allen.i was comparing Darnold to Love
Again, you are the only one thinking those stats spoke anything about Darnold vs Allen without including crucial stats about Allen.

Darnold and Love are in the same tier as each other.

 

[Digitalbooya]

That's because i wasn't trying to compare anyone to Josh Allen.i was comparing Darnold to Love

And failing epically at that.

 

[TaLoN]

And failing epically at that.

You're just denying the facts.

 

[Digitalbooya]

You're just denying the facts.

I wasn't the one who posted the stats that can be turned around to say Darnold is better than Allen.

 

[TaLoN]

I wasn't the one who posted the stats that can be turned around to say Darnold is better than Allen.

You not including stats for Allen that sets him apart from most every other QB in the league doesn't mean these stats don't carry value for most other QB comparisons.

 

[Digitalbooya]

You not including stats for Allen that sets him apart from most every other QB in the league doesn't mean these stats don't carry value for most other QB comparisons.

You provided the stats hoss. Not me.

 

[TaLoN]

You provided the stats hoss. Not me.

Yes, i did. Stats that have value between Darnold and Love.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Yes, i did. Stats that have value between Darnold and Love.

Clearly not, because you didn't even account for Love missing 2 games due to injury. You just posted season totals and ignored any sort of context.

 

[TaLoN]

Clearly not, because you didn't even account for Love missing 2 games due to injury. You just posted season totals and ignored any sort of context.

Yes, i posted season totals in which Darnold CLEARLY leads, then called them EQUAL, because i was accounting for the 2 missed games.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Malik Willis did pretty nice in the Packers' system:

129.5 QB rating (to Love's 97.8)
10.1 yards per attempt (to Love's 8.2)
73.2% completions (to Love's 63.2%)
3 TDs and 0 INTs

I certainly don't think he's better than Love; that would be ridiculous. But it seems like LeFleur runs a pretty QB-friendly system. Props to him. Great coach, great play designer, great play caller.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Yes, i posted season totals in which Darnold CLEARLY leads, then called them EQUAL, because i was accounting for the 2 missed games.

They are not equal to anyone that has watched both play.

 

[TaLoN]

They are not equal to anyone that has watched both play.

They are to anyone not wearing cheese on their head. The stats back it up too. They have the exact same yards per completion on the season even at 8.2.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Malik Willis did pretty nice in the Packers' system:

129.5 QB rating (to Love's 97.8)
10.1 yards per attempt (to Love's 8.2)
73.2% completions (to Love's 63.2%)
3 TDs and 0 INTs

I certainly don't think he's better than Love; that would be ridiculous. But it seems like LeFleur runs a pretty QB-friendly system. Props to him. Great coach, great play designer, great play caller.

34 of his 41 pass attempts came against Indianapolis and Tennessee stacking the box lol... Let's pump the brakes.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

34 of his 41 pass attempts came against Indianapolis and Tennessee stacking the box lol... Let's pump the brakes.

Doesn't seem like Indy stacked it too well.

 

[Digitalbooya]

They are to anyone not wearing cheese on their head. The stats back it up too. They have the exact same yards per completion on the season even at 8.2.

Love has a much higher EPA/play and Adj EPA/play, while Darnold has a higher completion percentage above expected. In fact, Love is 4th for Adj EPA/play and 5th in EPA/play across all quarterbacks in the league. Darnold is 10th in Adj EPA/play and 12th in EPA/play.

Doesn't seem like Indy stacked it too well.

They are one of the worst teams in the league against the run. I think they also had a few of their front 7 injured in that game against GB.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Dang, I had no idea Darnold has been sacked 45 times. That's a hell of a lot.

Kind of seems like it balances out. Darnold has better weapons, Love has more time/protection. Both have great schemers/play-callers.

Actually makes Darnold's numbers a little more impressive, IMO, considering how much he's under duress.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Can I just say that I have NO idea where this pissing contest came from but I AM thoroughly enjoying it.

Continue.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Dang, I had no idea Darnold has been sacked 45 times. That's a hell of a lot.

Kind of seems like it balances out. Darnold has better weapons, Love has more time/protection. Both have great schemers/play-callers.

Actually makes Darnold's numbers a little more impressive, IMO, considering how much he's under duress.

Sam Darnold has a longer time to throw average than Jordan Love per NFL's next gen stats... In fact, Darnold sits at the third highest average time to throw behind Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts.

 

[f7ben]

I think Jordan Love is a very nice young man with a wonderful temperament and some great physical gifts. He just has suspect QB IQ and average arm talent with a propensity for throwing awkward check downs and blowing routine plays killing any YAC in the process. Hes basically a more athletic version of Christian Ponder

 

[Digitalbooya]

I think Jordan Love is a very nice young man with a wonderful temperament and some great physical gifts. He just has suspect QB IQ and average arm talent with a propensity for throwing awkward check downs and blowing routine plays killing any YAC in the process. Hes basically a more athletic version of Christian Ponder

I hope you scout for the vikings

 

[f7ben]

I hope you scout for the vikings

I don’t find Darnold to be anything more than a slightly above average qb who also has suspect qb IQ and is know for making some really boneheaded decisions with the ball. He has had a great season but he’s driving a Ferrari of an offense. I would not look to extend him for anything more than 20M and two years. He is sure to get way more than that elsewhere. I like the idea of letting our elite young rookie take over and spending the money elsewhere.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Sam Darnold has a longer time to throw average than Jordan Love per NFL's next gen stats... In fact, Darnold sits at the third highest average time to throw behind Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts.

I don’t think that stat is exactly that.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I don’t think that stat is exactly that.

What stat did you find that says Love has better protection/more time to throw the ball? If you’re basing it just on sacks, Love did anything and everything to avoid being hit in his injured area earlier in the year. That includes more risky throws than usual and dirting passes. Which also explains why his interception numbers dropped dramatically once the brace came off his knee area after the bye week (9 INTs in 6 games with brace, 1 INT in 6 games after brace removal). Finally got his mobility back.