Ben Grimm
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Price, Rask, Joseph*, Miller, Rinne. Please rank them and explain your reasons.
*Cujo has a B & W image at Curtis Joseph Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Salary, Title | Hockey-Reference.com. Weird.
Non-HHoF Goalies: Price, Rask, Joseph, Miller, Rinne
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Price, Rask, Joseph*, Miller, Rinne. Please rank them and explain your reasons.
*Cujo has a B & W image at Curtis Joseph Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Salary, Title | Hockey-Reference.com. Weird.
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I think I had them in the following order for the Goalie project :
Price
Joseph
Rinne
Miller
Rask
With the first four being sparsed between 25 and 45. roughly equidistant from each other, and Rask quite a few miles south.
It also appears that, amongst voters, I was in the lower half for Price's ranking, if not lower third, with Joseph not coming up for vote (sadly, I might add, because he'd look at home in the current group, presumtive #22 to #33). Which will always be a bit surprising to me, since I watched Price play about 800 games.
Price
Joseph
Rinne
Miller
Rask
With the first four being sparsed between 25 and 45. roughly equidistant from each other, and Rask quite a few miles south.
It also appears that, amongst voters, I was in the lower half for Price's ranking, if not lower third, with Joseph not coming up for vote (sadly, I might add, because he'd look at home in the current group, presumtive #22 to #33). Which will always be a bit surprising to me, since I watched Price play about 800 games.
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Price - Technically, he's one of the best to ever do it to be honest. He's on a tier by himself in this group and has legroom with another tier below that. When you imagine what you want in a goaltender over the last 25 years or whatever...this is it. Top 10 all time for me easily, and I don't say that lightly.
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Tuukka Rask - I guess is next. It sort of jumbles up quickly here with how these are laid out. He can't skate, but he's got super fast legs. He can steal games and then he also showed he could be consistently reliable playing in Boston's comfy system. He lived in save pct. pump land most of his life, but he was a talent anyhow. Good reads. Great puck tracker. Sometimes I feel like he outsmarted himself a bit, but he's a talented goalie despite the wheels.
Ryan Miller - He's a tough one. I don't think I care too much where he goes, as long as it isn't 1. Points for being a technician. Points for the adaptability...this was clearly a goalie designed for the pre-lockout world and he really made it work on the other side with his mobility. He competes in the crease. It's like a smaller, more mobile Luongo in some ways. I like the technicals being useful across eras. He went from being on the best team post-lockout to...a lot of herky jerky stuff. But that's why goaltending in this era isn't really a huge deal. You either have one of the big time plus guys (the 4, 5, 6 of them whatever) or you have someone that can just out right lose you a game...but most of the starters fall in the middle, and it's just team effects about where they go and what they win and what their save pct. (or manipulation thereof) is...Miller was a plus...but plus plus? Ahhh, I don't think so.
Then...
Ugh, I don't know...I guess CuJo then Rinne? I don't know, it's take your choice. Either he steals the game or he steals it from you. CuJo was super high on compete, but was sort of a guesser. Rinne can move better. He's got a glove, so did CuJo. Rinne had the benefit of Trotz and the best goalie coach going for quite a stretch. I don't know, I normally like Finnish goalies a lot...but Rinne has a lot of pucks go through him, he's got that weird "left side weakness" problem, probably the worst rebound control of this group.
I don't know...take your choice on the bottom two. Flip a coin, one of those two will kick into in the slot for us.
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Ummm...
Tuukka Rask - I guess is next. It sort of jumbles up quickly here with how these are laid out. He can't skate, but he's got super fast legs. He can steal games and then he also showed he could be consistently reliable playing in Boston's comfy system. He lived in save pct. pump land most of his life, but he was a talent anyhow. Good reads. Great puck tracker. Sometimes I feel like he outsmarted himself a bit, but he's a talented goalie despite the wheels.
Ryan Miller - He's a tough one. I don't think I care too much where he goes, as long as it isn't 1. Points for being a technician. Points for the adaptability...this was clearly a goalie designed for the pre-lockout world and he really made it work on the other side with his mobility. He competes in the crease. It's like a smaller, more mobile Luongo in some ways. I like the technicals being useful across eras. He went from being on the best team post-lockout to...a lot of herky jerky stuff. But that's why goaltending in this era isn't really a huge deal. You either have one of the big time plus guys (the 4, 5, 6 of them whatever) or you have someone that can just out right lose you a game...but most of the starters fall in the middle, and it's just team effects about where they go and what they win and what their save pct. (or manipulation thereof) is...Miller was a plus...but plus plus? Ahhh, I don't think so.
Then...
Ugh, I don't know...I guess CuJo then Rinne? I don't know, it's take your choice. Either he steals the game or he steals it from you. CuJo was super high on compete, but was sort of a guesser. Rinne can move better. He's got a glove, so did CuJo. Rinne had the benefit of Trotz and the best goalie coach going for quite a stretch. I don't know, I normally like Finnish goalies a lot...but Rinne has a lot of pucks go through him, he's got that weird "left side weakness" problem, probably the worst rebound control of this group.
I don't know...take your choice on the bottom two. Flip a coin, one of those two will kick into in the slot for us.
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I feel Cujo could have an argument to have had the best career here, his drive pushing him over the others over the total length of time, even if an argument can be made that he was not a the top of the list natural gift wise.
Obviously biased, but peak Price was probably the most fun to watch, how well he controlled his back, faced pucks, ridiculous rebounds and general puck management, a quick look during a game in tv at a distance you had quickly this is not Price in net tonight just looking at where the rebounds went. Well they were all specutacular in their way too, so I am sure other fanbase would say otherwise.
Obviously biased, but peak Price was probably the most fun to watch, how well he controlled his back, faced pucks, ridiculous rebounds and general puck management, a quick look during a game in tv at a distance you had quickly this is not Price in net tonight just looking at where the rebounds went. Well they were all specutacular in their way too, so I am sure other fanbase would say otherwise.
tarheelhockey
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Price - There was a period of a few seasons where “Price is the best goalie in the NHL” was a mainstream, defensible opinion. For me, that sets him apart from the rest of this group. He was also on track to age pretty well until injuries set in, and I don’t hold injuries against him.
Rinne - This is the start of a tight cluster with the remaining candidates. I always thought Rinne was deeply underrated, in part because he was a franchise guy for a low-profile franchise. He was legitimately a top-5 goalie for quite a long time.
Joseph - For me the deciding factors are 1) In a world without Dominik Hasek, his peak looks a lot better — he actually had more 1st place Vezina votes than Hasek in 1999 which nobody seems to remember 2) He aged pretty well too, still being a serviceable #1 at age 38
Rask - I also found him rather underrated, but in the opposite dynamic from Rinne. He played on a high profile team and as a result was overshadowed by cult figures like Chara and Bergeron and Thomas. But night after night, Rask was out there doing his thing. Thirteen years in a row his save% never dipped below .912 and five of those years it was .929 or higher. I don’t care how much support he got, that’s elite performance.
Miller - I just never thought that much of him. Good strong consistent #1 goalie, but 2010 and especially his Team USA performance really blew up his reputation. He belongs in this group and it’s a close race, but I would put any of the other four in net against him if I had the choice.
Price - There was a period of a few seasons where “Price is the best goalie in the NHL” was a mainstream, defensible opinion. For me, that sets him apart from the rest of this group. He was also on track to age pretty well until injuries set in, and I don’t hold injuries against him.
Rinne - This is the start of a tight cluster with the remaining candidates. I always thought Rinne was deeply underrated, in part because he was a franchise guy for a low-profile franchise. He was legitimately a top-5 goalie for quite a long time.
Joseph - For me the deciding factors are 1) In a world without Dominik Hasek, his peak looks a lot better — he actually had more 1st place Vezina votes than Hasek in 1999 which nobody seems to remember 2) He aged pretty well too, still being a serviceable #1 at age 38
Rask - I also found him rather underrated, but in the opposite dynamic from Rinne. He played on a high profile team and as a result was overshadowed by cult figures like Chara and Bergeron and Thomas. But night after night, Rask was out there doing his thing. Thirteen years in a row his save% never dipped below .912 and five of those years it was .929 or higher. I don’t care how much support he got, that’s elite performance.
Miller - I just never thought that much of him. Good strong consistent #1 goalie, but 2010 and especially his Team USA performance really blew up his reputation. He belongs in this group and it’s a close race, but I would put any of the other four in net against him if I had the choice.
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Would that not exist for Rinne has well ? Say the 2011-2018 era, many would have said, no it is Lundqvist, Quick, Price....
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He was a mainstay to be considered the best among a lot of nhler for example:
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NHLPA Player Poll 2017-18 | NHLPA.com
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tarheelhockey
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Would that not exist for Rinne has well ? Say the 2011-2018 era, many would have said, no it is Lundqvist, Quick, Price....
NHL Stats
The official source for NHL Stats including skaters, goalies, teams stats and more.
He was a mainstay to be considered the best among a lot of nhler for example:
NHLPA Player Poll 2018-19 | NHLPA.com
NHLPA Player Poll 2017-18 | NHLPA.com
That’s why I had Rinne #2, but even those polls show pretty decisively that Price had a run of years where he was simply the #1 consensus choice. If the player polls had existed back to 2015 I assume Price would have been #1 during most if not all of that time frame, and then of course he had the playoff run in 2021.
I think of Rinne more like a guy who was defensible as top-5 for a very long time, peaking out at a Vezina nominee level. That’s still really good and I think a lot of people kind of forgot he was back there stealing games for Nashville for all those years.
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1: Carey Price. At his best this guy was just pure dominance. May have a couple of seasons in his prime where he dips a bit but overall just stellar.
2: Rinne. Another goalie who prime were wasted being on a team that rarely or never brought in a good enough support cast to win it all. Consistant as well on a very high level.
3: I'll go with Rask. He had what you wanted in a goalie. Consistency and at a very high level. Not sure if hhof worthy but marginally outside in my opinion.
4: Ryan Miller. Another goalie whos team wasted his prime. Sadly underrated goalie because of his later years where he sort of fell off hard but I don't think there was a year with Buffalo where I didn't think he could win the Vezina.
5: Curtis Joseph. Overrated goalie who got really nervous and passive when games mattered. Fondly remembered which i believe is mostly due to his time with Oilers and his highlight reel desperation saves.
2: Rinne. Another goalie who prime were wasted being on a team that rarely or never brought in a good enough support cast to win it all. Consistant as well on a very high level.
3: I'll go with Rask. He had what you wanted in a goalie. Consistency and at a very high level. Not sure if hhof worthy but marginally outside in my opinion.
4: Ryan Miller. Another goalie whos team wasted his prime. Sadly underrated goalie because of his later years where he sort of fell off hard but I don't think there was a year with Buffalo where I didn't think he could win the Vezina.
5: Curtis Joseph. Overrated goalie who got really nervous and passive when games mattered. Fondly remembered which i believe is mostly due to his time with Oilers and his highlight reel desperation saves.
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